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 Post subject: Israel, Hizbollah and Iran
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:04 pm 
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The Syrian war has entered a new stage with the regime of Bashar al-Assad gaining the upper hand. Israel, no longer content to remain a bystander as Damascus’s position improves, is now jockeying to reverse the deterioration of its strategic posture. In this endeavour it has formidable obstacles to overcome: the regime is more dependent than ever on Iran, which Israel regards as its most implacable state foe; other enemies, particularly Hizbollah and Iran-backed Shiite militias, are entrenched in Syria with Russia’s blessing; and the U.S., notwithstanding the Trump administration’s strident rhetoric, has done little to reverse Iran’s gains. Yet Israel’s hand is not so weak. Russia has given it room to act against Iran-linked military interests and appears to be more interested in balancing contending fighting coalitions than returning every last piece of territory to the Assad regime’s control. But if Russia wishes to eventually withdraw or draw down its forces, it will need to broker rules of the game. Russia has indicated scant interest in doing so, but if it does not, hostilities between Israel and Iran may threaten its accomplishments, particularly regime stability.

Israel’s initial concern was Syria’s south west, where it is determined to prevent Hizbollah or Shiite militias from approaching the 1974 armistice line and setting up offensive infrastructure in its vicinity. Their doing so, as Israel sees it, could mean a new front against it and put Hizbollah in a position to launch attacks from an area in which its Lebanese civilian constituencies would not have to suffer Israeli counter-attacks. The Israeli army, its planners fear, would be left to exact costs in Lebanon, Damascus or Tehran, with the risk of provoking a regional war.


https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/eastern-mediterranean/syria/182-israel-hizbollah-and-iran-preventing-another-war-syria


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 Post subject: Re: Israel, Hizbollah and Iran
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:29 pm 
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Somebody in Syria just shot down an Israeli F-16...the first one in 3 decades. Iran has sophisticated Russian SAM's in Iran but not sure what they brought with them. The pilot was rescued.

Iran (or its proxies) are firing SSM's at Riyadh and shipping longer range rockets to Hizbollah and saving Assad's ass. They are absolutely aiming to cause trouble.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:45 pm 
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Let's see if the Israeli's know how to BOMB ...

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 Post subject: Re: Israel, Hizbollah and Iran
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:51 pm 
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jack t ripper wrote:

Iran (or its proxies) are firing SSM's at Riyadh and shipping longer range rockets to Hizbollah and saving Assad's ass. They are absolutely aiming to cause trouble.


Iran has been backing mideast conflicts for a long time. They're a prime backer for quite a few shit-stirrers.

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NefariousKoel wrote:
jack t ripper wrote:

Iran (or its proxies) are firing SSM's at Riyadh and shipping longer range rockets to Hizbollah and saving Assad's ass. They are absolutely aiming to cause trouble.


Iran has been backing mideast conflicts for a long time. They're a prime backer for quite a few shit-stirrers.


True. And Israel is definitely in a perennial "stronghold mentality."

But on the other hand, I don't recall any Israeli regime in history, nor even the most outspokenly radical of Zionists ever suggest that the end game for them is to "drive the Muslims into the Sea," or to "erase" the nation of Iran off the map.

Takes two to tango, but in this case the Muslims are the ones to get the dance going from the beginning (ca. 1948) and have kept it going over the decades (ca. 1956, 1967, 1969, 1973, and on into the present if we acknowledge the continuity . . .). Short of neutron bombing all the populated areas outside of its borders within a 50km range and doing the same to every community in Iran with >1 donkey I don't think the Israelis are capable of doing "any wrong." Let them do what they need to do. If that means bombing inner city areas into rubble and killing tens of thousands of civilians because they claim that one of the Muslim gangs were staging ordnance in the pre-schools, mosques and hospitals, so be it.

In fact, now that I think about it . . . neutron-bombing ALL of the major Muslim population centers would actually be a pretty gigantic service to humanity as a whole. The religion needs to learn its place: subordinate to everything else in the universe. Until they are so brutalized that they can barely put Alla and Hu together in an utterance, that service to humanity as a whole remains incomplete. If this could be accomplished WITHOUT loss of life then that would certainly be preferable. But sadly, we lack alien technology to vaporize only all of their clothing by remote control and thus teach them humility. Burning them and their cities is unfortunately what it is eventually like to take.

In the mean time, the Jews are doing the dirty work "for us."

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In the mean time, the Jews are doing the dirty work "for us."
That's why we should support them.

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It appears as if the Israelis are not very concerned about the Russian air defence umbrella in Syria...


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The Israel Defense Forces reacted in the way that the SyADF and IRGC had expected, and launched air strikes against 12 targets including three SyADF batteries and four IRGC bases, including a drone C2 centre. The SyADF quickly launched between 15 and 23 surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) which included at least three S-125s (SA-3 Goa), six S-200s (SA-5 Gammon) and six 57E6s from Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) systems. Evidence of missile wreckage that came down in Mount Hermon, Lebanon also revealed that at least one missile from a mobile Kvadrat (SA-6 Gainful) SAM system was launched, too.


http://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2018/02/10/f-16i-and-saeghe-shoot-down-an-iranian-propaganda-disaster/


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The Israel Defense Forces reacted in the way that the SyADF and IRGC had expected, and launched air strikes against 12 targets including three SyADF batteries and four IRGC bases, including a drone C2 centre. The SyADF quickly launched between 15 and 23 surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) which included at least three S-125s (SA-3 Goa), six S-200s (SA-5 Gammon) and six 57E6s from Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) systems. Evidence of missile wreckage that came down in Mount Hermon, Lebanon also revealed that at least one missile from a mobile Kvadrat (SA-6 Gainful) SAM system was launched, too.


http://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2018/02/10/f-16i-and-saeghe-shoot-down-an-iranian-propaganda-disaster/


Interesting.

From what I heard, the IAF didn't have Anti-Radiation Missiles, such as HARMs, for ages. Vaguely recall some mention of them planning on getting some a few years back, but don't now if they ever filled that standoff anti-SAM hole in their weapon inventory, or by how much if they did.

Cold War pilots often stated they could easily evade SAMs as long as they saw them coming early enough to take evasive maneuvers. Of course, many of those accounts were from pilots in Vietnam who only had the big old SA-2s firing at them. The tech back & forth tug of war obviously advanced since then.


Video of an F-16 pilot dodging six SA-2/SA-3 SAMs during Gulf War, for instance:



and pilot account is on this one:


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