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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:40 pm 
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For those who are waiting for Manafort to suddenly start blabbing about a secret deal with the Russians...you are dreaming. Why is that?

1) A defendant who hopes to save his ass by implicating his boss does not wait for the trial to start to make a deal because his leverage declines at that point in most cases.

2) Manafort's charges do not extend to his time working for Trump. The judge is already giving the prosecution crap about for using the word "oligarchs". He is not going to put up with any bull shit questions about Trump.

Then there is this. The charges against Manafort were to gain leverage to attack Trump...a political act. All it will take is one juror to secretly tell the prosecution to fuck off and hang the jury. :lol:


Ummm..

Wasn't Manafort and the Podestas running a money laundering scheme with... Ukrainians?

I keep hearing the hysteric left accusing him of working with the Russians but I recall reading, in numerous places, that they were dealing with Ukraine. Not 'Muh Russia'.



Those are inconsequential details Neff.
Ukraine used to be part of Russia, so they are Russian.
Finland used to be part of Russia so they are..... (______fill in the blank____). :lol:

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The situation in Ukraine is muddled because there are so many ethnic Russians and even ethnic Ukrainians sympathetic to Russia. Also, Ukrainian politicians have developed unexplained Polonium poisoning. 8-)

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Michael Cohen Already Exonerated President Trump

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Let’s go back almost a year to when Michael Cohen was a guest of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. on September 19, 2017. I am presuming he was under oath and that as an attorney, he understands what that means.

Cohen adamantly denied his own involvement with Russia.


I have never engaged with, been paid by, paid for, or conversed with any member of the Russian Federation or anyone else to hack or interfere with the election.

I have never engaged with, been paid by, paid for, or conversed with any member of the Russian Federation or anyone else to hack Democratic Party computers; and I have never engaged with, been paid by, paid for, or conversed with any member of the Russian Federation or anyone else to create fake news stories to assist the Trump campaign or to damage the Clinton campaign.


He then went further in his Senate testimony, exonerating President Trump.

Given my own proximity to the President of the United States as a candidate, let me also say that I never saw anything - not a hint of anything - that demonstrated his involvement in Russian interference in our election or any form of Russian collusion.

I'm certain that the evidence at the conclusion of this investigation will reinforce the fact that there was no collusion between Russia, President Trump or me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Obama DOJ & FBI Conspiracy
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That's why Cohen was handed off to the Manhattan federal prosecutor. He doesn't have any Russia shit because there ISN'T any.

Now, they might throw some campaign finance crap at Cohen but it is still all bullshit.

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 Post subject: Re: The Obama DOJ & FBI Conspiracy
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:43 pm 
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That's why Cohen was handed off to the Manhattan federal prosecutor. He doesn't have any Russia shit because there ISN'T any.

Now, they might throw some campaign finance crap at Cohen but it is still all bullshit.


The closer that we get to the midterm elections, the more desperate people are going to become in their yelling and screeching about Trump and collusion and Russia.

All the more disappointed they will be when there are no charges, no prosections involving Russia and collusion with the Trump campaign.

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 Post subject: Re: The Obama DOJ & FBI Conspiracy
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Trump and Russia:

This will prove that Trump is Putin's stooge and will do whatever he tells him to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... ef545e59b1

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Trump administration to impose new sanctions on Russia for nerve agent attack in England

By Karen DeYoung and Carol Morello
August 8 at 4:00 PM

The Trump administration said Wednesday it would impose new sanctions against Russia as punishment for its use of a nerve agent in an attempt last March to assassinate British citizen and ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

A terse release from the State Department said that the United States had determined Russian responsibility for the attack in Salisbury, England — a British conclusion the administration had already accepted — under a 1991 U.S. law on biological and chemical weapons use that requires the president to impose sanctions.

Russia has denied responsibility for the attack.

[What a Russian scientist told a reporter about Novichok]

A State Department official said the sanctions could have a significant impact on trade with Russia.

They are structured to fall in two halves. The first part includes a prohibition of licenses on sending some goods to Russia, such as electronic devices. It will have limited impact, since it replicates restrictions already on the books.


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This proves it, doesn't it Nero?

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http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... nM.twitter

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What would the intelligence community's 'insurance policy' against Trump look like?

BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 08/09/18 03:45 PM EDT
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

Let’s begin in the realm of the fanciful.

Assume, for the sake of argument, that powerful, connected people in the intelligence community and in politics worried that a wildcard Trump presidency, unlike another Clinton or Bush, might expose a decade-plus of questionable practices. Disrupt long-established money channels. Reveal secret machinations that could arguably land some people in prison.

What exactly might an “insurance policy” against Donald Trump look like?

He would have to be marginalized at every turn. Strategies would encompass politics, the courts, opposition research and the media. He’d have to become mired in lawsuits, distracted by allegations, riddled with calls for impeachment, hounded by investigations. His election must be portrayed as the illegitimate result of a criminal or un-American conspiracy.

To accomplish this, bad actors in the intel community could step up use of surveillance tools as a weapon to look for dirt on Trump before his inauguration. They could rely on dubious political opposition research to secretly argue for wiretaps, plant one or more spies in the Trump campaign, then leak to the press a mix of true and false stories to create a sense of chaos.

Once Trump is in office, a good insurance policy would call for neutralizing the advisers seen as most threatening, including his attorney general. The reigning FBI director could privately send the implicit message that as long as Trump minds his own business, he won’t be named as a target. When the president asks the FBI director to lift the cloud and tell the public their president isn’t under investigation, the FBI director could demur and allow a storm of innuendo to build. Idle chatter benefits the plot. There would be rampant media leaks, both true and false, but none of them would benefit Trump.

All would be well unless the president removes the FBI director. Then, a rider on the insurance policy would kick in. After months of assuring Trump he’s not under investigation, he must now become a focus to keep him away from the Justice Department and the FBI; once an investigation opens, all of Trump’s attempts to affect policy or to dig into allegations against the intelligence community could be portrayed as obstruction of justice.

How to open an investigation after all these months? Appoint a special counsel. (Easy to get the right one, with Trump’s attorney general out of the way.) How to get public and congressional support for a special counsel? Through a partnership between the fired FBI director and the media; he could secretly leak to The New York Times anti-Trump versions of memos he wrote, inventing the pretext for a special counsel probe. The chosen special counsel should be an insider with his own legacy to protect. Anti-Trump FBI officials who secretly vowed to “stop” Trump could be assigned to the investigation.

As crazy as it all sounds, it becomes slightly more plausible when we examine the record and find self-described conspiracies to develop “insurance policies.”

On Aug. 15, 2016, after FBI counterespionage chief Peter Strzok and his FBI girlfriend Lisa Page met with Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, Strzok texted Page that they couldn’t take the risk of Trump getting elected without having “an insurance policy” in place.

Another figure, Benjamin Wittes, chose the same phrase. In October 2016, in his Lawfare blog, Wittes wrote: “What if Trump wins? We need an insurance policy against the unthinkable: Donald Trump’s actually winning the Presidency.”

As it happens, Wittes has acknowledged being a good friend of fired FBI Director James Comey. It’s not hard to imagine that the two men share some beliefs, and even discussed some of the issues involved. In fact, Wittes spoke to a New York Times reporter about Comey's interactions with President Trump, right after Robert Mueller's appointment as special counsel.

So, in his 2016 blog post, Wittes wrote that his vision of an “insurance policy” against Trump would rely on a “Coalition of All Democratic Forces” to challenge and obstruct Trump, using the courts as a “tool” and Congress as “a partner or tool.” He even mentioned impeachment — two weeks before Trump was elected.

If this far-fetched idea of an insurance policy were actually true, it also could include tactics memorialized in a memo, written in 2009 by a Democratic strategist working at the time for the liberal smear group Media Matters. It described how to fight a “well funded, presidential-style campaign to discredit and embarrass” targets. Private eyes would probe into their personal lives, courts would be used for lawsuits. “Massive demonstrations” would be organized, Michael Moore would make a negative documentary and “a team of trackers” would stake out targets at events. “Opposition research” would be collected. The targets would be attacked on social media, yard signs posted in their neighborhoods, and a “mole” placed inside their organization.

If there really were an insurance policy against Trump, it might include having ex-intel officials getting hired at national news outlets where they’d monitor and influence news organizations, and be invited to give daily spin on controversies surrounding their own actions. Figures such as former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former Comey aide Josh Campbell and others could get hired by CNN; former CIA Director John Brennan and ex-Mueller/Comey aide Chuck Rosenberg could get hired by NBC and MSNBC.

But all that would never really happen. Or if it did, it’s downright silly to think of it as part of an organized insurance policy.

Sharyl Attkisson (@SharylAttkisson) is an Emmy Award-winning investigative journalist, author of The New York Times bestsellers “The Smear” and “Stonewalled,” and host of Sinclair’s Sunday TV program, “Full Measure.”


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Truth is stranger than fiction.

Trump is not part of the prevailing Donkey-Elephant establishment duality. Thus he is a threat to any and all longstanding corruption rackets which have grown up serving either moiety or the whole of the two-party mafia.

They struggle incessantly to regain their safe position of dominance over the nation, but I hope and they may never do so again.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... l-thinking

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Mueller has indeed indicted a lot of people. But to this point no one around President Trump has been charged with colluding, or conspiring, with Russia to influence the 2016 election.


Mueller has charged 32 people and three companies. Four are former Trump aides. One is a lawyer in London loosely connected to the Manafort case. One is a California man charged in relation to the Russian troll farm. And the great majority of those charged, 29, are Russians or Russian companies out of Mueller's reach.

The special counsel has bagged a few big names: Manafort; Rick Gates, Manafort's right-hand man who has pleaded guilty to many of the same crimes Manafort is on trial for; Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security adviser, who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI; and George Papadopoulos, a short-lived campaign adviser who has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

So far, Mueller has five guilty pleas, one trial under way, and 29 cases that are probably never going to go anywhere.



The Prosecution rested their case today against Manafort:
——nothing in this case tying Trump to Russia
——no beeidende of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

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I don't think is now any doubt that Clapper sent in Comey to give Trump a briefing on the Pissgate fake dossier even thought they both knew it was bullshit already and then Comey doesn't even tell Trump they know it is bullshit.

This was designed to piss off Trump and make him look paranoid. You would have to say it sort of worked.

Then there is the targeting of Flynn who was literally HATED by obama. Gone even before the inauguration. Then you have Sessions, who was hounded into recusing himself. Then you have Pruitt at EPA, who literally had a fund donated by Soros to get rid of the guy.

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