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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:03 am 
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No, there certainly would have been an announcement if the Mueller probe were complete.

Conspicuously, the sentencing of Flynn was delayed at the request of Mueller. This means Mueller still wants to keep the screws on Flynn until he is done. Almost certainly this means Mueller is still trying to get something on Trump. Also there is still a negotiation how Trump will answer questions Mueller has remaining for him. In other words, they are still working on the "obstruction of justice" angle. It is also conceivable that Mueller could decide his mandate extends to going after FISA abuse but I doubt it. He would not get invited to any more cocktail parties in Washington.

Also, Mueller was looking into Podesta's brother and the guy had to resign his position so there might be something on that.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:11 am 
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No, there certainly would have been an announcement if the Mueller probe were complete.

Conspicuously, the sentencing of Flynn was delayed at the request of Mueller. This means Mueller still wants to keep the screws on Flynn until he is done. Almost certainly this means Mueller is still trying to get something on Trump. Also there is still a negotiation how Trump will answer questions Mueller has remaining for him. In other words, they are still working on the "obstruction of justice" angle. It is also conceivable that Mueller could decide his mandate extends to going after FISA abuse but I doubt it. He would not get invited to any more cocktail parties in Washington.

Also, Mueller was looking into Podesta's brother and the guy had to resign his position so there might be something on that.


So how does a U.S. justice entity "indict" foreign nationals like the Russians in question? Doesn't this depend on extradition from Russia?

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So far it is pretty pathetic after emptying half the law schools in the East, millions of FBI man-hours, untold mountains of dollars $12M spent by the Clinton Campaign and no small effort by the Hussein DOJ and WH to set up the whole charade.

Manafort and his partner...shit they did BEFORE they ever worked for Trump and NOTHING to do with any Russian conspiracy.

Flynn..poor bastard talks to the Russian ambassador, really does nothing wrong but gets entrapped by the FBI based on information they illegally obtained from abusive politically motivated FISA warrants.

Papadopolous...just a pathetic Greek guy being a Greek. A fly speck with a fly speck technical violation of law. Should have hired a Jewish lawyer but could not afford one.

9 Russians who are NEVER going to be extradicted but at least they will be unable to visit Disneyland so we are safe now.

Super secret 007 licensed to lie-Steele won't be getting paid by the FBI anytime soon. This is actually a good thing although it was more the work of Congress

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:26 am 
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According to Mueller, the Russians spent about $1M a month in personnel on their campaign which ran from mid 2014 plus $282.18 on Twitter and Facebook ads. So that is about $30,000,282.12.

Then you have to subtract what the Clinton campaign paid Steele (let's guess $2M) to pay his Russian sources and the half a million the CIA paid a Russian to get the non-existent "kompromat" on Trump.

So I figure they are in for about $27,500,282.12. When they release the expose book on how they tricked WikiLeaks into publishing the DNC emails they might make millions on that. If they ever sold the hacked Hillary pay for play emails that would be worth $2m just for the movie rights.

I am pretty sure that Strzok and Page spent more than that on data charges sexting each other.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:36 pm 
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Oh Jeez...Rosenstein announces: 1) there was no willing participation by any American citizens 2) the Russian efforts did NOT affect the election results and what does CNN say?


Well, Lemonhead and his panel are attacking Trump for denying Russian involvement in the election. :lol:

Meanwhile Trump's chief protestations are 100% true:

1) The FBI really DID wiretap his campaign
2) It really WAS a witch hunt
3) There was no "collusion"
4) The Russian efforts did not change the outcome

Not to mention we have an apparent separate conspiracies (or even linked) involving the FBI, DOJ and State Dept to prevent Trump's election....and involvement of the WH is unmasking and even coordination and a big fat lie by Hussein that he never coordinated with DOJ or FBI on this.

CNN is deliberately missing the biggest political story since the Civil War.


Lemonhead must have a fish tank full of KoolAide in his office.




Can't say I'm surprised. Much of the Demstream media have buried the indictment's mention of 'no collusion' and the Russian ads not affecting the election outcome.

I've seen a few that don't even mention those in the articles. If you were a Demstream sheep and read one of those, you would think it's just more proof that there was Trump-Russia collusion because the corporate news outlet shills intentionally removed that part of the report. :roll:

Blatant data blackouts in many articles. :roll:

It's far past evident, judging by what is left out of such political news articles, that many of those writers & editors are outright party hacks and have no journalistic integrity at all.


For example, the Reuters article, which was likely a rewrite of some Demstream source, didn't mention those important points (no collusion) in it's long-winded piece. It even goes further into faerieland when saying:

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Friday’s indictment of the Russians, coupled with the FBI disclosure that it failed to heed a warning about the Florida high school shooter, were blows to the White House, still reeling from the fallout of a scandal involving a former aide accused of domestic abuse by two ex-wives.


Huh? Apparently Reuters, and it's fake news sources, think Trump was to blame for the FBI, so busy focusing on it's leaders' anti-Trump witch hunt, fucking up and ignoring reports of the future school shooter.

I always tried giving Reuters a pass in the past, but they've increasingly been pulling this fake corporate partisan news shit. Whether that's due to basing their articles on shitty partisan US sources which already eliminated data points, or whether dumping their journalistic integrity in favor of obfuscating political activist writing of their own, I'm not sure. But they've also become noticeably worse regarding omission of important topical information and making improper assumptions.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1G022U

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 Post subject: Re: The Obama DOJ & FBI Conspiracy
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That is truly pathetic. "Blow to the WH"? WTF Mueller just absolved them of any collusion. Any objective person can see that is the salient point. That was the ENTIRE rational for the Special Counsel.

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That is truly pathetic. "Blow to the WH"? WTF Mueller just absolved them of any collusion. Any objective person can see that is the salient point. That was the ENTIRE rational for the Special Counsel.


The spin, in the usual major outlets, is just insane.

They spin it so much that they now often have to remove key informational points from the news report in order to make their spin not fly apart in the same few paragraphs.


To their credit, ABC online article made some mention of the important "no collusion, no election tampering" point, a distance down the page. They still have lots of spin included, but at least there is enough journalistic integrity to briefly mention the data points that don't support all of it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special- ... d=53147082

I'm wondering if that ABC anchors falsification fuck-up, a few months ago, made their leadership start pushing for a little more thoroughness in their reporting. Despite still being partisan hacks, of course. I'll start checking them on occasion & see if they regress to omission & obfuscation, again, like they others.

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 Post subject: Re: The Obama DOJ & FBI Conspiracy
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Be careful now that your head will not blow off.

This is just the first phase of the investigation. There will be more before the mid terms, but not all.

After the blue wave has flushed the house in November, the final proof is presented and Trump will be impeached. ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:27 pm 
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But in the mean time read this:

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Reactions to Russian indictments in 2016 US election meddling probe

S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has charged a Russian Internet agency and more than a dozen Russians with interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign in an effort to support Donald Trump and denigrate his rival Hillary Clinton.

Below are reactions to Mueller’s 37-page indictment:

“We have known that Russians meddled in the election, but these indictments detail the extent of the subterfuge. These Russians engaged in a sinister and systematic attack on our political system. It was a conspiracy to subvert the process, and take aim at democracy itself. Today’s announcement underscores why we need to follow the facts and work to protect the integrity of future elections.”

– House Speaker Paul Ryan in a statement

“For all those who have been asking ‘where is the evidence of a crime?’ – this is it. This is the criminal conspiracy. This is what President Trump and his allies have repeatedly called a ‘hoax’ and ‘fake news.’ Today’s indictment shows precisely how the Russians worked to help the Trump campaign, in startling and extensive detail.”

– Democratic Representative Elijah Cummings in a statement

“Mueller just put Moscow on notice. This ought to be a wakeup call to Washington: Putin’s shadow war is aimed at undermining Americans’ trust in our institutions. We know Russia is coming back in 2018 and 2020 – we have to take this threat seriously.”

– Republican Senator Ben Sasse in a statement, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin

“The Putin regime presents a pressing threat to American interests, including through Moscow’s long-running influence operations against the United States. The House Intelligence Committee has been investigating these threats for many years: in 2014 – the year the Russians began their operation targeting the 2016 elections — I warned about Russia’s worldwide influence operations. In April 2016 I stated that the United States’ failure to predict Putin’s plans and intentions is ‘the biggest intelligence failure that we’ve had since 9/11.’ Although the Obama Administration failed to act on the Committee’s warnings, it’s gratifying to see that Russian agents involved in these operations have now been identified and indicted.”

– Republican Representative Devin Nunes in a statement

“I’m glad the administration is acting, based on the ongoing work of the special counsel, to hold Russia accountable. We’ve long known Vladimir Putin has been using an arsenal of trolls, disinformation and propaganda to try to undermine western democracies – including the United States. Putin doesn’t care whether we’re Democrats or Republicans. His goal is to undermine America’s values and our public institutions. More must be done, including with international broadcasting, to counter this threat. Our midterm elections are rapidly approaching, and we must ensure the sanctity of our political process.”

– Republican Representative Ed Royce in a statement

“Thirteen people interfered in the U.S. elections?! Thirteen against an intelligence services budget of billions? Against intelligence and counterintelligence, against the latest developments and technologies? Absurd? Yes.”

– Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova in a Facebook post

“The Americans are very emotional people, they see what they want to see. I have great respect for them. I am not at all upset that I am on this list. If they want to see the devil, let them.”

– Russian businessman Evgeny Prigozhin to RIA news agency

“Mueller indictment of Russians starts to fill out the other side. Next: who are the actors in this country. The contours of the conspiracy are starting to be detailed. This is hugely significant.”

– Former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on Twitter

“It is a cold hard fact that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 election. We know for a fact that they hacked into the Democratic National Committee. We know for a fact that they hacked into voter registration systems across the country and used social media to sow discord and spread disinformation among voters. And we know for a fact that their goal was to help elect Donald Trump. Now, this indictment gives us a chilling look at just how sophisticated, well-funded and wide-ranging this attack on our democracy really was. It should send chills up the spine of every American.”

– Democratic National Committee Chair Tom Perez in a statement

“The Special Counsel’s indictments make absolutely clear that the Russians perpetrated a strategic effort to undermine and influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election to support the campaign of Donald Trump, and are continuing to interfere with our elections. As desperately as President Trump insists that the Special Counsel investigation is a ‘hoax’, these latest indictments build on multiple guilty pleas and indictments of several Trump campaign officials, demonstrating the gravity of the Trump-Russia scandal.”

– House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi in a statement

“While it does not include an allegation that any U.S. persons conspired wittingly with the Russian actors, the indictment leaves open the vital question of whether Americans, including any associated with the Trump campaign, knowingly played a role in Russia’s active measures campaign.”

– Democratic Representative Adam Schiff in a statement

“It has been clear to everyone (except Donald Trump) that Russia was deeply involved in the 2016 elections and intends to be involved in the 2018 elections. It is the American people who should be deciding the political future of our country, not Mr. Putin and the Russian oligarchs. It is absolutely imperative that the Mueller investigation be allowed to go forward without obstruction from the Trump administration or Congress.”

– Independent Senator Bernie Sanders in a statement

“What we learned was astonishing. We learned that the Russian were also organizing for Bernie Sanders. We learned that in late November 2016 they then turned their efforts to be against President Trump, that their goal was to sow discord and chaos, not to promote a certain candidate, and that no Americans were involved in this plot … Democrats deceived this country and they were caught today.”

– Republican National Committee spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany to Fox News

“Sometimes an indictment is designed to catch the principal perpetrators. But sometimes an indictment or prosecution is launched with an eye towards accomplices and conspirators, who may not even be identified yet. In this case, the Russians are in Russia, and Putin isn’t going to hand them over any time soon. If someone in the United States assisted them, though, they could be prosecuted for their participation in the criminal endeavor. We don’t know who those persons are, but as of today we know a lot more about the criminal enterprise they were involved in.”

– Cornell Law School professor Jens David Ohlin

“The indictment is careful to say there are some unnamed conspirators and co-conspirators. We have no sense of who those might be and if they will be charged ever. … There are no allegations in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant. But that is a telling statement by omission. There is no reason to think that is the only indictment released from Special Counsel’s office.”

– Constitutional law professor at the University of California, Irvine School of Law, Leah Litman

“The indictment refers repeatedly to unwitting people in the Trump campaign. Anybody who was dealing with these Russians unwittingly is not guilty of a crime. But if Mueller has evidence that there are people who were dealing with members of this conspiracy knowingly then there would be a lot of basis to charge those people with the same crime.”

– Former federal prosecutor and Stanford Law School professor David Alan Sklansky

“What is clear is that we now have a public accounting of allegations of Russian interference in the American election system that is far more detailed and broader in scope than any public accounting we have had so far. That a Russian organization literally spent millions of dollars to influence the American election is a damning indictment of Russia and its interference. If the U.S. government fails to respond that will be a severe sign of weakness. Sitting back is not acceptable … The indictment is really interesting in that it only portrays American victims and no American collaborators or colluders. It’s an open question why that is.”

– Former senior counsel in the investigation of President Bill Clinton, Paul Rosenzweig

“The grand jury indictment of Russian agents details a broad conspiracy to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Buried literally in the middle of the indictment is a paragraph that should jar every American committed to the long fight for voting rights. The Russians allegedly masqueraded as African-American and American Muslim activists to urge minority voters to abstain from voting in the 2016 election or to vote for a third-party candidate. The alleged Russian campaign to depress turnout of minority voters is wrong. Both the special counsel and Congress should investigate whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russian agents in this alleged targeting of minority voters in 2016. Such actions, if proven, would be criminal.”

– Deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington Legislative Office, Christopher Anders, in a statement


So it goes.

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For every President since W there have been efforts to impeach. Clinton technically WAS impeached but on the perjury charge the Senate vote was 50/50, well short of the 67 required. I don't think it is even mathematically possible for the Dems to reach 67 in the Senate in 2018. They might get a few malcontent never-Trumpers to vote aye but your wet dream is pure fantasy unless there were a truly shocking revelation. Considering the FBI has been on it for 17 months with a cadre of Trump haters it ain't looking good for your side.

Melania moves out of the WH 3:1.... against :lol:

Trump is impeached AND convicted and he ahs to move out too...100:1

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