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 Post subject: Re: Texas Baptist Church Shootings
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:25 am 
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Church Sign Warns Members Are Armed, Will Use Deadly Force If Attacked

by AWR Hawkins17 Nov 2017471
A sign posted outside the River at Tampa Bay Church warns that congregants are armed and will use deadly force if attacked.


Good on 'em

This idea can be developed further with more robust design of the churches.

Here's an example: Helsinki Piruntorjuntabunkkeri, PTB; Teufelabwehrbunker, TAB auf Deutsch.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:35 pm 
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/n ... reporting/

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N.Y., S.F., Philly Want Court to Fix DoD's Background Check Reporting


BY BRIDGET JOHNSON DECEMBER 26, 2017

WASHINGTON -- Three cities filed a lawsuit against the Defense Department for failures to report information from the military justice system that would disqualify gun purchasers in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

Pennsylvania is among the states that block those with dishonorable discharges or certain criminal offenses from buying firearms or acquiring licenses. Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney noted in a statement that for years his city "has been plagued by gun violence" and "relies on this reporting when making the crucial decision whether a license to carry applicant should be permitted to carry a firearm."

"We’re joining in this suit because reporting these records is absolutely critical to those decisions," Kenney said. "The background check system only works if it contains the proper records.”

Devin Kelley, who killed 26 people at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs last month before being pursued by an armed neighbor and killing himself, was convicted in a 2012 court-martial of multiple incidents of assaulting his wife at the time and fracturing his infant stepson's skull. He was sentenced to 12 months at the Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar, and was released from service in 2014 under a Bad Conduct Discharge.

Under federal law, Kelley, who bought a Ruger AR-556 in April 2016 from a San Antonio sporting goods store, should have been banned from buying firearms. But the Air Force said Kelley's domestic violence "was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman Air Force Base Office of Special Investigations."

The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia cites the Texas church massacre. "Had Defendants simply followed the law, that shooter never should have been able to purchase the weapon he used. This suit—brought by three municipalities—seeks narrowly-tailored injunctive relief to make certain that never happens again."

"This Court need only grant Plaintiffs’ request to compel Defendants to diligently implement, and consistently apply, the unambiguous laws that have been on the books for decades.... This suit therefore seeks judicial intervention—i.e., intervention by an independent and apolitical branch of government, fully familiar with monitoring, and maintaining, compliance with the law. This Court clearly has the authority and the jurisdiction required to remedy these long-standing wrongs."

The lawsuit states that in 1997 and 2015 the DoD Inspector General "expressly warned Defendants and their predecessors, in writing, that they had serious compliance problems. The Inspector General told the Air Force, for example, just two years ago, that it had failed to report 32% of its disqualifying conviction dispositions to the FBI. Those were all dispositions that undeniably disqualified the individuals in question, like Devin Kelley, from ever purchasing a firearm."

"Only three weeks ago, the DoD Inspector General released yet another report, dated December 4, 2017, detailing yet again Defendants’ non-compliance with their reporting obligations. Across all the service branches, he reported, fully 31% of all final disposition reports were never provided to the FBI during the period from January 1, 2015 to December 31, 2016," adds the court document.

The lawsuit argues that the Texas shooting "could have been prevented" and "intervention by this Court is therefore now both necessary and appropriate."


“The failure of the Department of Defense to fulfill this reporting mandate is longstanding and well documented, dating back two decades to a 1997 Inspector General report,” said Philadelphia Solicitor Sozi Pedro Tulante. “The accuracy and integrity of the federal databases is crucial to Philadelphia’s ability to properly evaluate license to carry applications and protect the public safety.”

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio charged that "this failure on behalf of the Department of Defense has led to the loss of innocent lives by putting guns in the hands of criminals and those who wish to cause immeasurable harm."

San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera said the DoD's "failure to fulfill its legal duty and accurately report criminal convictions puts innocent Americans at risk."

“It is past time to ensure that we’re doing everything we can to keep guns out of the wrong hands," he said.

The DoD has not commented on the lawsuit.



I'm generally hesitant when then leaders of New York City and San Francisco take a stand on something but in this case their lawsuit (IMHO) is appropriate.
The DOD was (by law) supposed to be reporting these things to the FBI for them to be entered into the federal databases used by NICS.
The DOD was ignoring federal law.

(Perhaps someone can eventually turn the tables and file a lawsuit against cities like NYC and San Francisco for ignoring federal law with regards to immigration. ;-) )

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 Post subject: Re: Texas Baptist Church Shootings
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:44 pm 
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Aye ... I wonder if criminal entities (Cities of NY, SF, Ph) are even allowed to file such lawsuits ???
I would think you would need to be an "entity of good standing" in order to be eligible ....
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Aye ... I wonder if criminal entities (Cities of NY, SF, Ph) are even allowed to file such lawsuits ???
I would think you would need to be an "entity of good standing" in order to be eligible ....
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Everyone has a right to file such lawsuits.

You don't need to be "in good standing".

Examples of that would includes lawsuits such as these:

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* (Moody v. Miller): A Texas inmate filed twenty-two complaints, alleging civil rights violations, including violations of his right to use the telephone, his right not to be required to walk barefoot across a cold floor, his right not to be issued pants that are too small.


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* A prisoner in Idaho filed suit after guards refused to "tidy up" his cell after a search.


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* Beaty v. Bury: A death-row inmate sues corrections officials for taking away his Gameboy electronic game. (Arizona)


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* Trice v. Reynolds: Ex-chef sues because the food was bad, yet he wanted bigger portions. (Oklahoma)


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* Murderer sues for $25,000, claiming a "defective" haircut resulted in lost sleep, headaches, and chest pains. (New York)


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* Young v. Murphy: Prisoner sues for not receiving scheduled parole hearing, though he was out on escape when the hearing was held. (Mississippi)


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* Brittaker v. Rowland: Inmate says his meal was in poor condition. He claims his sandwich was soggy and his cookie was broken. (Calif)


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Prisoner sues to be served fresh rather than reconstituted milk. (Gerteisen v. Bowers)


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Prisoner sues because he was required to eat off of a paper plate. (Procup v. Strickland, et al)


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Prisoner who has filed more than 140 actions in state and federal court sues over finding gristle in his turkey leg. (Attwood v. Bowers)


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Prisoner sues to be served fruit juice at meals and three pancakes instead of two. (Spradley v.Rathman)


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Prisoner sues to be given Reeboks, Adidas, Pony or Avia brand hightops rather than inferior brand sneakers issued by prison. (Brown v. Singletary)


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Prisoner who lost a lawsuit claiming his rights as a Muslim were violated because the prison put "essence of swine" in his food announces his conversion to Satanism and sues for tarot cards and doves' blood. (Marshall v. DOC)


And this series of lawsuits all filed by one person in Oregon:
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-- Suits By Harry Franklin, An Inmate In The Oregon State Penitentiary

* Franklin claimed he was denied daily half-hour out-of-cell walks. The judge found this claim surprising, because in other filings Franklin alleged he was crippled.

* He claimed prison guards abridged his "right to be supplied" with T- shirts, a claim which had previously been dismissed.

* He claimed he did not receive "some unspecified medical treatment because an officer neglected to wake him from his afternoon nap," causing him "mental frustration," which the judge learned meant "that someone got his dander up."

* Franklin sued prison guards who he alleged "wear clopping heels on their boots, which causes plaintiff to feel he's in a Natsy [sic] prison camp."

* He asserted that his right to free speech was violated because prison staff discliplined him "for commenting on a guard's allegedly out-of- wedlock birth."

* He sought $3 million in damages for "mental frustration" he suffered when a Portland television station allegedly misidentified a "14 wheeler tractor and trailer rig" as an "18 wheeler."

* Franklin launched constitutional challenges to Oregon statutes which denied felons the ability to be candidates for public office or to vote during their incarceration.

* Franklin brought up some Oregon history in one of his claims. In 1923, the D'Autermont boys robbed a train in the Sikiyou Mountains, killing several railroadmen. According to Franklin, since the incident, trains blew their whistles as they pass the penitentiary in the early morning hours, violating his "right to public piece [sic]." The judge found that "Even assuming the railroads do carry on such a heinous practice, it would not violate one of Franklin's federally protected rights."

* He sued "Ronal Regan and his constiuants [sic]" for $8.9 million for "violation of undue restraint" in connection with an Oregon seatbelt law. he believed the law was underinclusive because it did not apply to bicycles and horses as well as cars.

* He complained that he lost sleep on three occasions because the penitentiary's steam heater pipes snap and pop, and that he endured "Harassment by Water" because the prison authority's over-watering of the prison yard in the summer made it difficult for him to find a dry place to lie down.

* He claimed the pentitentiary's cleanliness rules violated his "constitutional right to accumulate an unlimited number of newspaper clippings."

* Franklin was also a reformer, suing Oregon's governor, attorney general, legislators, and judges for failing "to pass Legislation which would keep our System such as The Courts, &/or Jails from being so corrupt."

* He complained that the penitentiary food service bakes desserts in aluminum rather than stainless steel pans, and that he could not eat from aluminum pans because the "scrapings" from the pans would "settle in [his] Human Joints."


https://www.lectlaw.com/files/fun30.htm

Mind you that ALL of the above lawsuits were filed by people in prison, so their "good standing" is also in doubt. ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Texas Baptist Church Shootings
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That is some ridiculous shit.



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Well I suppose prisoners should be able to complain ... maybe there is a box they can file those in?

But as to lawsuits reporting on other entities not following the law ... yes I think you should need to be in "good standing" to offer such suggestions ...

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* Young v. Murphy: Prisoner sues for not receiving scheduled parole hearing, though he was out on escape when the hearing was held. (Mississippi)


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