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Marine shot dead at Marine Barracks in DC

#1 Post by chijohnaok » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:29 pm

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Marine dead after shooting at Marine Barracks in Southeast, DC


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Re: Marine shot dead at Marine Barracks in DC

#2 Post by Anthropoid » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm

Unfortunately an unavoidable risk of working with deadly weapons.

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Re: Marine shot dead at Marine Barracks in DC

#3 Post by Joe » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:15 am

So there is a problem with the training of US Marines.

The US Marines stormed ashore in Tripoli a hundred or more years ago and I have the song in my special library of Jeep Songs. So, should I remove it from my library of Jeep songs?
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Re: Marine shot dead at Marine Barracks in DC

#4 Post by nero » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:45 am

chijohnaok wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:29 pm
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/m ... s-shooting
Marine dead after shooting at Marine Barracks in Southeast, DC


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Copy/paste is not the only thing you can't do. :roll:
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Gunshot that killed Marine at Southeast DC barracks was not self-inflicted, officials say

WASHINGTON (FOX 5 DC) - The gunshot wound that led to the death of a U.S. Marine at a barracks in Southeast D.C. was not self inflicted, according to an official.

The shooting was reported around 5 a.m. Officials say the Marine was shot and hospitalized but later died from a gunshot wound.

Officials declined to elaborate, citing the ongoing investigation.

A D.C. police source told FOX 5's Evan Lambert that the incident was an accident, and that it happened during a shift change when weapons are supposed to be unloaded before being passed to the next shift.

A Marine spokesperson did not identify the Marine but said no suspects have been arrested and that there is no threat to public.

"The command's priorities are to take care of the Marine's family and friends," said Col. Don Tomichm commanding officer of Marine Barracks, in a statement. "We want to ensure these personnel are being provided for during this challenging time."

The post is located at 8th and I Street and is the oldest active post in the Marine Corps.
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Re: Marine shot dead at Marine Barracks in DC

#5 Post by nero » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:25 am

Anthropoid wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm
Unfortunately an unavoidable risk of working with deadly weapons.
Like living in the USA is an unavoidable risk. ;)

Year 2019 there was 435 mass shootings, with 517 killed and 1648 wounded.
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Re: Marine shot dead at Marine Barracks in DC

#6 Post by Anthropoid » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:36 am

Training does not eliminate all accidents. It may reduce them to a bare minimum, but by definition, accidents happen. In my anecdotal experience, they tend to happen more to the two ENDS of the curve (beginners and experts) more than in the middle. So it is even possible to consider that LESS training but more reminders/refreshers about the spirit and message of training are better than "more training."

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Re: Marine shot dead at Marine Barracks in DC

#7 Post by chijohnaok » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:57 am

nero wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:25 am
Anthropoid wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:09 pm
Unfortunately an unavoidable risk of working with deadly weapons.
Like living in the USA is an unavoidable risk. ;)

Year 2019 there was 435 mass shootings, with 517 killed and 1648 wounded.
The statistics that you cited are based on the use of seven differing definitions of “mass shootings”. :roll:
How fricken imprecise is that?

The most commonly accepted definition for mass shootings that I am aware of, and the one on which officially tabulated crime statistics in the US are based is the FBI definition:
ABC News/FBI: four or more shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrators, at one location, at roughly the same time
When you use that definition, and the applicable incidents cited in that Wikipedia entry, we are left with 42 incidents, and 221 people killed (I just eyeballed that and did not double check my math. I just woke up and have not had my coffee yet).

Still too many.
Maybe politicians should pass a law against mass shootings. :roll:
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#8 Post by Dinosaur » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:27 pm

I thought the FBI changed the def to "3" (down from "4") a few years ago (presumably to bump up the number, since apparently "4" didn't look like as much of a problem). Maybe they changed it back to "4" and I didn't get the memo.

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#9 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:28 pm

Dinosaur wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:27 pm
I thought the FBI changed the def to "3" (down from "4") a few years ago (presumably to bump up the number, since apparently "4" didn't look like as much of a problem). Maybe they changed it back to "4" and I didn't get the memo.

To my knowledge the FBI definition remained at “4”.
I was not aware of any changes.
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#10 Post by jack t ripper » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:10 am

Not the right attack but I couldn't find the thread. Some Saudi flight students sent home for extremist ties and child porn.

Nice. Seems like we should have done this BEFORE the attack. Seems like the Saudis should do this BEFORE they send them over. Maybe child porn is culturally permitted in Saudi.
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Over a dozen Saudi servicemen stationed at U.S. military bases are set to be kicked out of the United States following an inquiry prompted by the deadly shooting at Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Florida, according to a Saturday evening report. Some of the foreign military members are said to be accused of ties to extremists and possessing child pornography.

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The Saudis are not accused of aiding the 21-year-old Saudi Air Force second lieutenant who killed three American sailors in the December shooting, two sources said, but some are said to have connections to extremist movements, according to a person familiar with the situation.

A number are also accused of possessing child pornography, according to a defense official and the person familiar with the situation. Spokespeople for the FBI and Justice Department declined to comment.



About a dozen Saudi trainees at the Pensacola base had been confined to their quarters as the FBI investigated the shooting as a potential terror attack, and the Pentagon initiated a review of all Saudi military trainees in the country, numbering around 850 students.

On December 6th, Mohammed Alshamrani, a second lieutenant in the Saudi Air Force, killed three people and injured eight others after opening fire at the base, a gun-free zone. Alshamrani is believed to have posted the phrase “the countdown has started” on his social media accounts on September 11, 2019, and also reportedly described non-Muslims as “infidels.”

The Saudi national, who was killed during his rampage by a sheriff’s deputy, had also reportedly criticized U.S. military action.

“He basically is saying the same thing that many terrorists before him has said, that the U.S. is the enemy because they attack Muslims overseas or they help other countries attack Muslims overseas. And that’s their justification to attack us,” former FBI agent Brad Garrett said.
The Department of Justice is expected to rule that the shooting was “terrorism,” one U.S. official told CNN.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has said Saudi Arabia, which has pledged its full support over the shooting, will “owe a debt” to victims of a deadly attack.

“One of the things I talked to [President Donald Trump] about is, given this is a foreign national and employee of a foreign service, is … The government of Saudi Arabia needs to make things better for these victims,” De Santis told reporters at the time. “I think they’re gonna owe a debt here given that this is one of their individuals.”
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