The Absolute State Of The UK Police

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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1071 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:35 am

nero wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:56 am
Some perspective.



;)
Jim Jeffries: there must be a better way than police shooting a suspect with a knife.

Police officer says police shooting a suspect happens like once every 10 years.

Okay Nero.

November 29, 2019:

U.K. police shoot attacker dead during 'terrorism-related' London Bridge knife rampage

2 Feb 2020:

Police shoot man dead after terror-related stabbing attack in Streatham

The video that you posted seems to no longer be relevant today.

The posting date on YT for that Jim Jeffries video that you posted was Sep 19, 2017

He must have overlooked the incident that occured only 3 months earlier in June 2017:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ht-minutes
The terrorists who struck in London on Saturday night would have killed more people if police had not managed to find and stop them within minutes of the violence beginning.

Sources described the police response time as “fantastic”. The number of armed officers always on duty has been increased after previous terrorist atrocities.


London terror attack: what we know so far

The officers who shot dead the terrorists were in police armed response vehicles (ARVs), which regularly patrol big cities and other areas across Britain. ARVs usually carry three officers apiece and they are the first armed responders to incidents. The number of ARVs was increased in the UK after the November 2015 attacks in Paris revealed the vulnerability of cities to marauding terrorist attacks.

The eight officers who opened fire, in the London Bridge area, discharged an estimated and “unprecedented” 50 rounds at what they feared to be suicide bombers on the rampage. The officers were believed to be in the Met and City of London forces.

The officers would have been equipped with side arms and heavier weapons. The G36 semi-automatic rifle was the traditional gun of choice but increasing numbers of officers are opting for SIG 516 weapons.

The first calls, which were about a van hitting pedestrians on London Bridge, would have triggered a major response and a set of challenges. The first aim would have been to find out what was going on, possibly immensely difficult amid the intense chaos and conflicting reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ht-minutes

Eight police officers firing 50 shots at men who were armed with a van and knives.

Jeffries ALSO seems to have overlooked the 2017 Westminster attack which occurred in March 2017.
On 22 March 2017, a terrorist attack took place outside the Palace of Westminster in London, seat of the British Parliament. The attacker, 52-year-old Briton Khalid Masood, drove a car into pedestrians on the pavement along the south side of Westminster Bridge and Bridge Street, injuring more than 50 people, four of them fatally. He then crashed the car into the perimeter fence of the Palace grounds and ran into New Palace Yard, where he fatally stabbed an unarmed police officer. He was then shot by an armed police officer and died at the scene.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Westminster_attack

And it turns out the video was misleading when it was first aired in 2017
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1072 Post by nero » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:13 am

chijohnaok wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:35 am
nero wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:56 am
Some perspective.



;)
Jim Jeffries: there must be a better way than police shooting a suspect with a knife.

Police officer says police shooting a suspect happens like once every 10 years.

Okay Nero.

November 29, 2019:

U.K. police shoot attacker dead during 'terrorism-related' London Bridge knife rampage

2 Feb 2020:

Police shoot man dead after terror-related stabbing attack in Streatham

The video that you posted seems to no longer be relevant today.

The posting date on YT for that Jim Jeffries video that you posted was Sep 19, 2017

He must have overlooked the incident that occured only 3 months earlier in June 2017:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ht-minutes
The terrorists who struck in London on Saturday night would have killed more people if police had not managed to find and stop them within minutes of the violence beginning.

Sources described the police response time as “fantastic”. The number of armed officers always on duty has been increased after previous terrorist atrocities.


London terror attack: what we know so far

The officers who shot dead the terrorists were in police armed response vehicles (ARVs), which regularly patrol big cities and other areas across Britain. ARVs usually carry three officers apiece and they are the first armed responders to incidents. The number of ARVs was increased in the UK after the November 2015 attacks in Paris revealed the vulnerability of cities to marauding terrorist attacks.

The eight officers who opened fire, in the London Bridge area, discharged an estimated and “unprecedented” 50 rounds at what they feared to be suicide bombers on the rampage. The officers were believed to be in the Met and City of London forces.

The officers would have been equipped with side arms and heavier weapons. The G36 semi-automatic rifle was the traditional gun of choice but increasing numbers of officers are opting for SIG 516 weapons.

The first calls, which were about a van hitting pedestrians on London Bridge, would have triggered a major response and a set of challenges. The first aim would have been to find out what was going on, possibly immensely difficult amid the intense chaos and conflicting reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ht-minutes

Eight police officers firing 50 shots at men who were armed with a van and knives.

Jeffries ALSO seems to have overlooked the 2017 Westminster attack which occurred in March 2017.
On 22 March 2017, a terrorist attack took place outside the Palace of Westminster in London, seat of the British Parliament. The attacker, 52-year-old Briton Khalid Masood, drove a car into pedestrians on the pavement along the south side of Westminster Bridge and Bridge Street, injuring more than 50 people, four of them fatally. He then crashed the car into the perimeter fence of the Palace grounds and ran into New Palace Yard, where he fatally stabbed an unarmed police officer. He was then shot by an armed police officer and died at the scene.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Westminster_attack

And it turns out the video was misleading when it was first aired in 2017
Considering that this thread was started 2017, in that context the video is pretty timely. ;)
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1073 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:49 am

Considering that this thread was started 2017, in that context the video is pretty timely. ;)
Well, the fact that Jeffries was talking in Sept 2017 about the low need for British police officers shooting people and that it only happens like “once every 10 years”, yet there were two examples of that in March 2017 AND June 2017 (within 6 months of date Jeffries’ video was posted) thus demonstrating that Jeffries’ talking point was not accurate.

So, perhaps “timely” but inaccurate.
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1074 Post by nero » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:02 pm

chijohnaok wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:49 am
Considering that this thread was started 2017, in that context the video is pretty timely. ;)
Well, the fact that Jeffries was talking in Sept 2017 about the low need for British police officers shooting people and that it only happens like “once every 10 years”, yet there were two examples of that in March 2017 AND June 2017 (within 6 months of date Jeffries’ video was posted) thus demonstrating that Jeffries’ talking point was not accurate.

So, perhaps “timely” but inaccurate.
UK != Birmingham.

As whole country compare the UK numbers with the US numbers. ;)
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1075 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:54 pm

nero wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:02 pm
chijohnaok wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:49 am


Well, the fact that Jeffries was talking in Sept 2017 about the low need for British police officers shooting people and that it only happens like “once every 10 years”, yet there were two examples of that in March 2017 AND June 2017 (within 6 months of date Jeffries’ video was posted) thus demonstrating that Jeffries’ talking point was not accurate.

So, perhaps “timely” but inaccurate.
UK != Birmingham.

As whole country compare the UK numbers with the US numbers. ;)
UK != Birmingham

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-40739653

Police shoot man in Birmingham street during gun arrest
27 July 2017
Birmingham = Birmingham
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1076 Post by nero » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:06 pm

chijohnaok wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:54 pm
nero wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:02 pm

UK != Birmingham.

As whole country compare the UK numbers with the US numbers. ;)
UK != Birmingham

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-40739653

Police shoot man in Birmingham street during gun arrest
27 July 2017
Birmingham = Birmingham
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1077 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:19 pm

Nero posting “clicks” again.

Google translate: Horror Chicken Cage!
WTF does that mean
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1078 Post by chijohnaok » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:31 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-gl ... t-51449162

Boy, 12, charged over racist chants against Alfredo Morelos

2 hours ago

A 12-year-old boy has been charged in connection with racist chants against Rangers striker Alfredo Morelos.

Police launched an investigation following allegations of abuse during the Scottish Premiership clash with Celtic on Sunday 29 December.

The boy cannot be identified for legal reasons.

Supt Mark Sutherland said that any form of abuse was "completely unacceptable" and that the force would continue to investigate any further claims.
Should 12 year olds be yelling racist chants?
Of course not.

Should the police become involved in something like this and filing charges against him?
An overreach IMHO.

Maybe send him to Miss Marples School of Etiquette for a couple weeks.
(NOW, if this is like his 5th time doing this, that might be different).
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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1079 Post by Anthropoid » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:36 pm

Racism is not a crime. It is uncivilized and should be strongly discouraged at all times--even shamed when it is done conscientiously by adults--but making it a crime reveals a society at the tipping point of descent into a Orwellian nightmare . . .

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Re: The Absolute State Of The UK Police

#1080 Post by NATO » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:10 pm

Anthropoid wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:36 pm
Racism is not a crime. It is uncivilized and should be strongly discouraged at all times--even shamed when it is done conscientiously by adults--but making it a crime reveals a society at the tipping point of descent into a Orwellian nightmare . . .
but is racism, whatever that means, not an instinctive human behavioral response? As in: I see the ' other' in front of me, do i like him?, does he like me? Can i trust him because he is the 'other' Can he trust me because I am the 'other' ? Do I instinctively dislike him because he is the 'other'? Does he instinctively dislike me because i am the 'other'?
Anthro, the anthropologist, shud add his 2 cents....?

Over here in Holland us crackers in major metropoli deal with people of color evry damn day given Holland's colonial past and the record of moroccan/turkish immigration starting in the 1960s.
I look at head-scarf cashier girls aged 18-21 evry time i buy a liter of milk.
I think it works out OK here in Holland, we smile at each other, are polite in the dutch language with another; some of them glad i cant see their hair under the head scarf(the fugly ones), others with luscious long dark hair uncovered.....omg 8-)
Dealing with black people (frm Surinam mainly) is the same. we all speak Dutch and smile at each other, especially the women.

Perhaps I am wrong and I hope so, but i believe daily, myriad black-white encounters in America are tinged with tension. Who is the racist first?

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