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Yes or no: Scientific facts are social constructs
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The class should agree that the boiling point of water is a social construct and then ask the prof to put his hand in a boiling pot.
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There ain't such things as scientific facts. There are only scientific theories. ;)

So I can not vote here.

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It's true. In some societies, water boils at 212 and in others at 100. Also, water boils differently for the Sherpa. :lol:

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All of the above ... scientific "facts" are both what people think they are as well as what documented repeatable experiments indicate they are.

We might break these into groups

01 - Scientific facts - perception (for now, until changed)
02 - Scientific facts - documented repeatable experiments have validated (for now ... until something changes)

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Is this from a class for Global warming deniers?

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Is this from a class for Global warming deniers?

Nah, no money from the carbon industry involved. ;)

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Snow Leopard wrote:
Is this from a class for Global warming deniers?


No, it wasn't. ;-)

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This is what i'm learning in my college anthropology class! Everything is a social construct! Up is down! Black is white! Conspiracy!
12:20 PM - Oct 12, 2017

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That's inconvenient.

So much for the Antarctic narrative.

This is from Newsweek:

//Researchers at NASA have discovered a huge upwelling of hot rock under Marie Byrd Land, which lies between the Ross Ice Shelf and the Ross Sea, is creating vast lakes and rivers under the ice sheet. The presence of a huge mantle plume could explain why the region is so unstable today, and why it collapsed so quickly at the end of the last Ice Age, 11,000 years ago.

Mantle plumes are thought to be part of the plumbing systems that brings hot material up from Earth’s interior. Once it gets through the mantle, it spreads out under the crust, providing magma for volcanic eruptions. The area above a plume is known as a hotspot.//

Apart from this area, Antarctic ice has been growing during this period of "global warming."

Volcanic activity under the ice has been reported previously as the explanation for melting in this area.




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 Post subject: Re: Debate and discuss: Scientific facts are social construc
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Being empirically verifiable does not make an observation immune from being a social construct. Likewise, being a social construct does not make an idea empirically verified. None of our "brains" are perfect and they function in ways that remain mysterious, thus causing us to arrive at conclusions we would not have intended had we understood how our "brains" actually worked.

To that extent, "deconstructionism" is useful.

When the deconstructionists seek to extend this reasoning further by arguing that: "and so everything is a social construct, i.e., nothing can be known," then the limited utility of deconstructionism becomes a terrible impediment and source of harm, malice even.

The other thing that deserves to be said: deconstructionism is ancient. Plato's cave is one prominent example, but there are plenty of others. Physics itself has largely become "deconstructionist." Newtonian physics works great to explain things proximal to human experience, but when we use our telescopes to gaze far back in time/out in space we encounter observations which do not make sense in terms of a strictly Newtonian universe.

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 Post subject: Re: Debate and discuss: Scientific facts are social construc
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Science is not valuable because it provides us with facts.

Science is valuable because it provides us with tools, because it can rise to the occasion and detect flaws in these tools and then internally make the tools better.

It's the tools that are of the most value. Tools that allow us to do things. And science not only provides them, it maintains and upgrades them.



nero wrote:
There ain't such things as scientific facts. There are only scientific theories. ;)

So I can not vote here.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

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A fact is a statement that is true or can be proved with evidence. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is, whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement (by experiments or other means).


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In science

In science, a fact is a repeatable careful observation or measurement (by experimentation or other means), also called empirical evidence. Facts are central to building scientific theories. Various forms of observation and measurement lead to fundamental questions about the scientific method, and the scope and validity of scientific reasoning.

In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]

Various scholars have offered significant refinements to this basic formulation. Scientists are careful to distinguish between: 1) states of affairs in the external world and 2) assertions of fact that may be considered relevant in scientific analysis. The term is used in both senses in the philosophy of science.[21]

Scholars and clinical researchers in both the social and natural sciences have written about numerous questions and theories that arise in the attempt to clarify the fundamental nature of scientific fact.[22] Pertinent issues raised by this inquiry include:

the process by which "established fact" becomes recognized and accepted as such;[23]
whether and to what extent "fact" and "theoretic explanation" can be considered truly independent and separable from one another;[24][25]
to what extent "facts" are influenced by the mere act of observation;[25] and
to what extent factual conclusions are influenced by history and consensus, rather than a strictly systematic methodology.[26]
Consistent with the idea of confirmation holism, some scholars assert "fact" to be necessarily "theory-laden" to some degree. Thomas Kuhn points out that knowing what facts to measure, and how to measure them, requires the use of other theories. For example, the age of fossils is based on radiometric dating, which is justified by reasoning that radioactive decay follows a Poisson process rather than a Bernoulli process. Similarly, Percy Williams Bridgman is credited with the methodological position known as operationalism, which asserts that all observations are not only influenced, but necessarily defined by the means and assumptions used to measure them.


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The scientific method

Apart from the fundamental inquiry into the nature of scientific fact, there remain the practical and social considerations of how fact is investigated, established, and substantiated through the proper application of the scientific method.[27] Scientific facts are generally believed independent of the observer: no matter who performs a scientific experiment, all observers agree on the outcome.[28] In addition to these considerations, there are the social and institutional measures, such as peer review and accreditation, that are intended to promote factual accuracy (among other interests) in scientific study.[29]


nero, what university did you go to again? This stuff is highschool material by the way, you did graduate highschool, didn't you?

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