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Author:  jwilkerson [ Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:39 pm ]
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It could be that when a culture gets sick enough, it destroys itself from within.

Author:  jack t ripper [ Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:29 pm ]
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Maybe someone should start the Million Man White Patriarchy March

Everyone could wear dick hats and sing along to Pat Boone songs

Author:  abradley [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:24 pm ]
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Author:  chijohnaok [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:56 am ]
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https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/10/ ... e-lincoln/

Quote:
Wisconsin School Would Like A “Special Plaque” For Their Statue Of Abe Lincoln

JAZZ SHAWPosted at 10:41 am on October 10, 2017

The University of Wisconsin-Madison certainly shows up quite a bit in the news lately. The most recent incident is yet another call for going after historical American figures, but this time it’s not Columbus. The students at UW would like some modifications to an offensive statue on their campus, this one of Abraham Lincoln. Rather than asking for Honest Abe’s visage to be torn down and removed, they would like a plaque placed nearby noting Lincoln’s culpability in the massacre of Native Americans. However, the school’s chancellor has denied the request for the time being. (Free Beacon)

The University of Wisconsin-Madison chancellor has shot down a student government request that a plaque be placed near an on-campus statue of Abraham Lincoln describing what they see as the president’s culpability in massacres of Native Americans.

Chancellor Rebecca Blank said she was not open to making the Associated Students of Madison’s desired change to the statute that has sat at the heart of the campus for over a century, student paper the Daily Cardinal reported.

Students have maintained that they want to see acknowledgement of Lincoln’s role in the December 1862 execution of Sioux prisoners who had been convicted of murder and rape by military tribunals. More than 260 men had been charged, but Lincoln commuted the death sentence of all but 38.


The school’s indigenous student organization actually has a legitimate point in highlighting the period in question, though perhaps not so much in attempting to lay it at Lincoln’s feet. What they’re talking about is an uprising of the Sioux people of the Dakota Nation which began late in 1861. They refer to it as the US – Dakota War of 1862.

The tribe on the reservation there was starving after a poor growing season and a lack of wild game on the reservation lands. Unrest eventually turned to violence and a band of Sioux warriors attacked the white settlers in a series of raids. More than 600 white people were killed during this period. Of that number, the records indicate that 70 were white soldiers and 50 more were armed male adult civilians. The rest were unarmed young men, women and children. As many as a third were children under the age of ten. Some of the surviving women were reportedly raped.

The military was called in and the Sioux were rounded up and marched to a different location where military tribunals (of dubious authority) were held and 303 of the Sioux were sentenced to death. Here’s where Lincoln comes into the story. He ordered a review of the massacre as well as the tribunals, eventually commuting the sentences of all but 38 of the warriors. He is recorded as making the following statement.

“Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I ordered a careful examination of the records of the trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females.”

Since there were only two convictions for rape, Lincoln expanded the list to include those participating in the massacre of the unarmed white settlers, excluding any killing done in battle against armed troops and defenders. All but 38 received commutations and the rest were executed by hanging.

So actually, while there are certainly questions as to how legal or fair the trials were and definite, valid complaints about the conditions the Sioux were facing on the reservation, Lincoln was a moderating agent who cut down the executions to barely more than one tenth of the number which might have taken place. I’m not sure you want to denigrate him all that much for that particular period of history.

Author:  jack t ripper [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:22 pm ]
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38....that is about 30 seconds worth of casualties at Shiloh or Antietam

Author:  NefariousKoel [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:02 pm ]
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chijohnaok wrote:
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/10/wisconsin-school-like-special-plaque-statue-abe-lincoln/

Quote:
Wisconsin School Would Like A “Special Plaque” For Their Statue Of Abe Lincoln

JAZZ SHAWPosted at 10:41 am on October 10, 2017

The University of Wisconsin-Madison certainly shows up quite a bit in the news lately. The most recent incident is yet another call for going after historical American figures, but this time it’s not Columbus. The students at UW would like some modifications to an offensive statue on their campus, this one of Abraham Lincoln. Rather than asking for Honest Abe’s visage to be torn down and removed, they would like a plaque placed nearby noting Lincoln’s culpability in the massacre of Native Americans. However, the school’s chancellor has denied the request for the time being. (Free Beacon)

The University of Wisconsin-Madison chancellor has shot down a student government request that a plaque be placed near an on-campus statue of Abraham Lincoln describing what they see as the president’s culpability in massacres of Native Americans.

Chancellor Rebecca Blank said she was not open to making the Associated Students of Madison’s desired change to the statute that has sat at the heart of the campus for over a century, student paper the Daily Cardinal reported.

Students have maintained that they want to see acknowledgement of Lincoln’s role in the December 1862 execution of Sioux prisoners who had been convicted of murder and rape by military tribunals. More than 260 men had been charged, but Lincoln commuted the death sentence of all but 38.


The school’s indigenous student organization actually has a legitimate point in highlighting the period in question, though perhaps not so much in attempting to lay it at Lincoln’s feet. What they’re talking about is an uprising of the Sioux people of the Dakota Nation which began late in 1861. They refer to it as the US – Dakota War of 1862.

The tribe on the reservation there was starving after a poor growing season and a lack of wild game on the reservation lands. Unrest eventually turned to violence and a band of Sioux warriors attacked the white settlers in a series of raids. More than 600 white people were killed during this period. Of that number, the records indicate that 70 were white soldiers and 50 more were armed male adult civilians. The rest were unarmed young men, women and children. As many as a third were children under the age of ten. Some of the surviving women were reportedly raped.

The military was called in and the Sioux were rounded up and marched to a different location where military tribunals (of dubious authority) were held and 303 of the Sioux were sentenced to death. Here’s where Lincoln comes into the story. He ordered a review of the massacre as well as the tribunals, eventually commuting the sentences of all but 38 of the warriors. He is recorded as making the following statement.

“Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I ordered a careful examination of the records of the trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females.”

Since there were only two convictions for rape, Lincoln expanded the list to include those participating in the massacre of the unarmed white settlers, excluding any killing done in battle against armed troops and defenders. All but 38 received commutations and the rest were executed by hanging.

So actually, while there are certainly questions as to how legal or fair the trials were and definite, valid complaints about the conditions the Sioux were facing on the reservation, Lincoln was a moderating agent who cut down the executions to barely more than one tenth of the number which might have taken place. I’m not sure you want to denigrate him all that much for that particular period of history.



Lincoln was white.

It's all that matters in their Neo-Marxist eyes.

They gotta eliminate the past. Revise it to their own modified reality, and associated Party Right-think.

Author:  chijohnaok [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:15 pm ]
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And now it has come to this:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/civil-w ... -pipe-bomb

Quote:
Civil War Reenactors Targeted with Pipe Bomb
“We're historians. We're not hate groups.”

10.16.2017 News Trey Sanchez

The FBI has launched an investigation to find who placed a “suspicious item” at a Civil War reenactment field in Middletown, Virginia over the weekend.

On Saturday afternoon, at the annual reenactment of the Battle of Cedar Creek — a Union victory that occurred on October 19, 1864 — what looked like a pipe bomb to reenactors was discovered at the Cedar Creek battlefield. The FBI said that no one was hurt and that the device “was rendered safe by the Virginia State Police.” However, the FBI wouldn’t elaborate on the device, a spokesperson said. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Virginia State Police, the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office, and the Middletown Police Department are all helping with the investigation.

There was a threat leveled against the reenactors on the Wednesday before and the group sent out a message warning spectators to keep a watchful eye:

We would like to make everyone aware that the Cedar Creek Battlefield Foundation has received a letter threatening bodily harm to attendants of this event. With this in mind security has been increased and we ask that everyone work with us for a safe and enjoyable event.

When the explosive device was found, officers cleared the entire field and set up a safe zone. The normally peaceful, family-friendly event for a historic battle credited in securing Abraham Lincoln a second term was left spoiled by someone, or an outside group, that is taking the anti-confederate statue lunacy to a whole new level.

One of the actors standing in as a Union soldier spoke out about entering this new “dark chapter” for Civil War reenactment.

"I think our hobby is being associated with issues we're having with the confederate monuments and confederate flags and the reality is we're historians. We're not hate group(s),” Keith MacGregor said.

MacGregor, who has been doing this for 20 years, said he was brought to tears on Sunday when his group met on the battlefield and chanted, "USA," to send a message to those wishing them harm.

"It was a very emotional, patriotic moment, and one of the most moving moments I've ever participated in, in my entire life,” he said.

The FBI has asked for help in finding who planted the device and if anyone has any information that could help lead to an arrest.


Author:  jack t ripper [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:24 pm ]
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Cedar Creek was a Union victory. How is a re-enactment somehow support for slavery?

If I didn't know better I might assume the protestors are historically illiterate.

Author:  chijohnaok [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:41 pm ]
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jack t ripper wrote:
Cedar Creek was a Union victory. How is a re-enactment somehow support for slavery?

If I didn't know better I might assume the protestors are historically illiterate.


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Author:  NefariousKoel [ Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:49 pm ]
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jack t ripper wrote:

If I didn't know better I might assume the protestors are historically illiterate.



Many people in this country have a deficient, or completely warped, knowledge of history.

Part of the problem is the public school system's shitty, and worsening, curriculum. Which was co-opted by politicians and political appointees awhile back.

Some is modern revisionist propaganda & buzzwords they're fed through media. Treating distant history out of context, as if cherry picked events had happened in today's society, with today's advancements in place.

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