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Statues - tear em down - or leave em up ??
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Tear down ALL the statues of primates in USA !!! 33%  33%  [ 2 ]
Leave up ALL the statues of primates in USA !! 67%  67%  [ 4 ]
Form a committee to determine which statues go down and which stay up in USA (and which new ones can go up) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 6
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If the standard is cheating on your wife then JFK and MLK need to come down too. Jefferson is in the shitter. According to Broadway...Madison was secretly black.

Washington owned slaves. Columbus purposely tried to killed everyone in the "New World" with smallpox. Grant was a drinker. Truman nuked Hiroshima. FDR hid his disability and built Manzanar.

Who is left? Reagan? Lincoln? :lol:



I was going to suggest William Henry Harrison because he only served 32 days( not long enough to piss anyone off), but he came from Virginia and owned a few slaves.

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One biographer, says Lincoln was a soddomite ... because he slept in the same bed as a MAN ... when both were adults ... (the "historian in question does not mention that was not unusual in those days) ... but hecque ... maybe that "allegation" would help Uncle Abe these days ...

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One more statue being moved:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/17/ ... rk-statue/

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Controversial Statue Of J. Marion Sims Removed From Central Park

April 17, 2018 at 12:03 pm

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — The Parks Department removed a controversial statue Tuesday from Central Park.

After 84 years in Central Park, the granite base of the statue of Dr. J. Marion Sims is now empty. The statue was taken down with little fanfare and carted off in a Parks Department truck, CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported.


The move was part of the decision by Mayor Bill de Blasio with input from the city’s Monument Commission.

A sign left behind read: “By order of Mayor Bill de Blasio, NYC Parks has relocated the statue of Dr. James Marion Sims to Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn, where Sims is buried. Plans are being developed to commission a new monument on this site.”


Sims, who has been referred to as “the father of gynecology,” performed surgical experiments of female slaves without anesthesia.

Of all the controversial city statues considered by the commission in their review, Sim’s monument is the only one being moved.

“We are just excited by the decision of the commission and also by the decision of the mayor,” the commission’s John Calvelli said in January.

During the intense public debate, several statues were defaced, including the Theodore Roosevelt statue in front of the Museum of Natural History and a smaller statue of Christopher Columbus.

De Blasio decided the Columbus statue in Columbus Circle would remain. But historical markers will be erected in the circle to explain what detractors say was his insensitivity to Native Americans.

The mayor also chose to leave the plaque to Henri Philippe Petain where it is in the Canyon of Heroes. He was a World War I hero who later collaborated with the Nazis.

The decision was a huge letdown for Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind.

“I am incredibly disappointed,” he said.

The commission said Petain and another Nazi collaborator, Pierre Laaval, should stay because to remove them would mean all 206 people honored in the Canyon of Heroes would have to go.

For more information from the commission, click here.


That report from the Commission can be read here:
http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/monuments/do ... report.pdf

I've never heard of Dr. Sims before and don't have an opinion whether he rates a statue or not.

If you read the Commission's report they also had an issue with a statue of Teddy Roosevelt. (page 25 of the report)

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Some also see the monument as an image of racial hierarchy and
linked this to the museum’s early-twentieth-century ties to the eugenics movement; the second
and third International Eugenics Congress conferences were held at AMNH in 1921 and 1932,
respectively.


If I'm not mistaken, Margaret Sanger (one of the founders of Planned Parenthood) was also linked to the eugenics movement.
I wonder if statues, monuments to her will be removed?
They could start with this:
National Historic Landmark--Margaret Sanger Clinic

Or with these:
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As well, government authorities and other institutions have memorialized Sanger by dedicating several landmarks in her name, including a residential building on the Stony Brook University campus, a room in Wellesley College's library,[141] and Margaret Sanger Square in New York City's Noho area.[142] There is a bust of Sanger in the National Portrait Gallery, which was a gift from Cordelia Scaife May.[143][144] Sanger, a crater in the northern hemisphere of Venus, takes its name from Margaret Sanger.


I want to see protests at her crater on Venus!

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While this next article is not regarding a "statue" it does concern renaming a park.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

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Students learn grass-roots activism while campaigning to rename Douglas Park


William LeeContact Reporter
Chicago Tribune

The group of fifth-graders bounced and danced around the Blue Line LaSalle Street subway platform, their playful vigor turning to steely nerve as they approached a few dozen morning commuters and started their pitch.

“Have you ever been to Douglas Park?” the kids asked in unison. No parks should be named after slaveholders, they said. “Especially parks in black neighborhoods. It’s insulting!”

The Village Leadership Academy fifth-graders were assigned to persuade commuters to sign a petition to add an “s” to Douglas Park, renaming it for former slave and groundbreaking orator Frederick Douglass rather than onetime U.S. Sen. Stephen A. Douglas.

Meanwhile, sixth-graders were to meet with West Side community groups to gain public support before formally requesting the name change and presenting signatures to the Chicago Park District Board, which has the final say on how city parks are named. Later this month, the students will visit North Lawndale near the park and gather signatures from neighborhood residents.

Their push to rename the sprawling 218-acre West Side park comes during a nationwide resurgence of youth-led activism sparked largely by recent generation-defining events, such as February’s deadly school shooting in Parkland, Fla., as well as the viral grassroots activism of the Black Lives Matter and #MeToo movements.

At the same time, there has been a growing national conversation about whether the people commemorated in place names, statues and memorials reflect modern values and should continue to receive such homage as the country and communities becomes more diverse. Activists around the country — particularly in Southern states — have fought to remove Civil War monuments, calling them icons of oppression, some of which were created to counter the civil rights movement of the 1950s and ’60s.

Disagreements like those involving Douglas Park, which straddles a neighborhood of African-American and Latino residents, have also found their way north. A commemoration of Confederate soldiers at Oak Woods Cemetery, where many prominent African-Americans are buried, recently drew counterprotests. Meanwhile, supporters of Ida B. Wells-Barnett, who is buried at the cemetery, seek a monument to honor the Chicago journalist and anti-lynching crusader.

Under the watchful eye of Bianca Jones, their teacher at the private academy in the South Loop, and two volunteers, the 19 students, ages 9 to 11, took their campaign to subway platforms and aboard trains where they learned about human nature as well as the political process.

The train takeovers are the latest phase of a school assignment first conceived last year that pushes African-American and Latino students to learn about politics, current events and how to make changes in their communities.According to historical accounts, the park’s namesake did not own slaves, but the senator’s wife and children did.

Jones' fifth-grade class last year was the first to informally present the renaming idea to the Park District board. To make their uphill crusade a reality, students this year will have to formally submit a proposal to the board, which will open a 45-day period where the community can offer opinions. From there, the Park District superintendent will recommend to the board committee whether or not to rename the park. Renaming requires a board majority.

In the subway, the students were a well-oiled machine an hour into their takeover, each knowing his or her role.

While Jones held up a student-drawn poster of Douglass, some of the kids recited a brief script and students like Zahir Mbengue and Caleb Hill, both 10, quickly sized up their captive audience, eyeing who looks more likely to sign up. Student David Delacy deftly handed out leaflets, directing those who weren’t interested in signing to the online petition on Change.org.

Even on her first day canvassing for signatures, Aubrey Child, like most of her classmates, was a quick study on who to approach, winding up with 20 signatures after two train rides. “If they’re on their phone and they weren’t listening to the issue, then they probably actually wouldn’t care,” Child, a 9-year-old with long braided hair, explained with clipboard in hand. “But if they were being attentive and looking at us, then I think they would want to sign our petition.”

Jones, a Baltimore native with a background in community activism, has been excited by how well and how quickly her students have adapted to her lessons as well as the confidence they’ve shown in approaching people.

“I know young people who can’t say what they want to order in a restaurant, and (my students) are going up to strangers,” Jones said. “(With) life skills like public speaking being their No. 1 fear, they’ve already got it.”

Her students also earned admirers among the riders on a recent weekday. While some passengers chose to stay plugged into their iPods, others like Timothy L. Scott, 67, a gray-haired Auburn-Gresham man, couldn’t help but smile as he put on a pair of eyeglasses and scribbled his signature on Child’s petition. “I did it for the kids. I’ve got 15 grandchildren, and I’ve got five great-grandchildren,” said Scott on his way to the Harold Washington Library. “Anything for the future of our kids. Any type of way that I can help them out.”

“I had no idea,” said another young woman, who met Jones with a smile after hearing the kids’ sales pitch. “I always thought (Douglas Park) was named after Frederick Douglass,” she told Jones before signing the petition.

The students’ families have been supportive, Jones said, of her effort to introduce politics and news media to the children.

Jeff Dunmeyer, whose nephew Jaheim Goodall, 11, participated in the train takeover, was even one of Jones’ volunteers.

“I’m really impressed with all of them,” Dunmeyer said. “They have a mission — they know what they’re talking about. And it’s their idea. They’re networking. These kids are a natural for this. All we have to do is listen to them.”

wlee@chicagotribune.com

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So these students want the name of this "Douglas Park" (named for onetime Illinois U.S. Sen. Stephen A. Douglas) to "Douglass Park" (named for former slave and groundbreaking orator Frederick Douglass).

I have absolutely no issues with them changing the park's name.
Maybe they can save money and simply add an "s" to the park signs? ;-)

It's my understanding that Sen. Douglas' interest in owning slaves/a plantation was through his wife's inheritance when her father died. The plantation was in Lawrence County, Mississippi. Her father passed away in 1847 and Sen. Douglas was an absentee landlord (he had a hired property manager, and made only one extended visit to the plantation in 1848). His wife and children were the actual owners.

What I find most ironic here is that people in Chicago, a city that has been controlled by the Democratic Party for 98 years, want to rename a park currently named for a Democratic Senator, to that of a Republican (Frederick Douglass). :D

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The former capital of the Confederacy no longer has a school named for a Confederate leader. Instead, it has a school named for the United States’ first black president.

The Richmond School Board voted 6-1 Monday night to rename J.E.B. Stuart Elementary School, the city’s lone Confederate-named school, to Barack Obama Elementary School ...


http://www.richmond.com/news/local/education/richmond-s-j-e-b-stuart-elementary-school-honoring-a/article_aceff88e-9404-5b31-8434-bb5b960421e2.html

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August 2, 2018
New York City Council committee votes to name street after genocidal black leader who killed thousands of whites

By Thomas Lifson

At the same time that localities across the country are in the process of erasing monuments to Confederates and slave-owners, New York City is preparing to honor a black man who ordered the murder of every white man, woman, and child under his control, resulting in 3,000 to 5,000 race homicides.

Seth Barron reports at City Journal:

In New York City, street co-namings – in which a thoroughfare takes on an additional, ceremonial name in honor of a distinguished figure – rarely generate much fuss, and their approval is typically pro forma. But yesterday, a city council committee voted to co-name a street in Brooklyn after Jean-Jacques Dessalines, emperor of Haiti after the island won its independence from France in 1804.

The council's designation of a two-mile stretch of Rogers Avenue in Brooklyn as Jean-Jacques Dessalines Boulevard sparked some controversy because Dessalines was an enthusiastic advocate of racial murder. Following the defeat of Napoleon's forces and their retreat from Hispaniola, Dessalines named himself Governor-General-for-Life and decided to wipe the slate clean. Heeding the words of his personal secretary Louis Boisrond-Tonnerre, framer of the Haitian Act of Independence, who declaimed, "we should use the skin of a white man as a parchment, his skull as an inkwell, his blood for ink, and a bayonet for a pen," Dessalines ordered the murder of virtually every white man, followed soon afterward by all white women and children, in the new nation. Between 3,000 and 5,000 people were butchered in a few months.


As Barron observes, Haiti's history is bloody and terrible, and there was no shortage of horrendous acts against the slaves brought to Haiti to cultivate sugarcane. In that perspective, perhaps the race massacre ordered by Dessalines is understandable, at least as vengeance.

But the man was what today we call an ethnic cleanser or even a genocider. Ethnic cleansing results when one group feels so aggrieved by another group that it collectively decides that mass murder is appropriate until the last member of the enemy group available is killed.

Vengeance is clearly on the mind of some in New York:

Rodneyse Bichotte, a Brooklyn member of the state assembly who claims direct descent from Dessalines, defended the excesses of the Haitian revolutionaries as a legitimate response to oppression, and said that Dessalines "sought to stop those who were evil." She also made pointed reference to "George Washington, the first President of this great mighty state, who sold slaves for a keg of molasses," and "our beloved Abraham Lincoln, who expressed opposition to racial equality." Jumaane Williams, the council member who sponsored the co-naming legislation, said that "most of the world owes a debt to Haiti that has never been repaid." Considering the insulting remarks toward Haiti made by the "orange bigot in the White House," he said, the co-naming of Rogers Avenue is "the least we can do."


There seems to be nobody on the left who is willing to speak out against the madness.


So I wonder what would happen if a NYC Council member introduced a motion to rename a street "Hitler Highway" or "Stalin Street"?

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