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 Post subject: Re: ANTIFA - Unreasonable?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:43 am 
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It's about time. These protests are generally all filmed...by the media, by independent bloggers, and by ordinary people on their cell phones.
Too often in the past local authorities seemed to lack the will to do anything in response.
We need more prosecutions like this to serve as a deterrence to others.


That's why they've been regularly attacking journalists, and other people recording their bullshit in action.


They're commies, they attack everyone, literally.

If they ever got into power then they'd attack the anarchist wing too and there would be no mercy. Talk about concentration camps and so, which is actually worse than the neck executions of capitalist pigs and the bourgeois exploiters. Hell hath no fury like the fury of leftists against heretics. Anarchists make great cannon fodder in the early days of revolution but they're also incredibly dangerous due to their erroneous ideas about personal freedoms and individualism that are the antithesis of communism where individuals are nothing but a resource to be spent.

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothyme ... s-n2402063

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Left Wing Oakland Radicals Worked With ISIS, New Book Reports

Timothy Meads Timothy Meads |Posted: Oct 29, 2017 6:20 PM Share (1K) Tweet

Former Editor in Chief of the New York Times Magazine Edward Klein has a new book that will be released tomorrow October 30th. In All Out War: The Plot to Destroy Trump, Klein reveals an FBI investigation proving coordination between American college campus far left radicals and Islamic terrorists from groups such as ISIS and Al Qaeda.

What started as a secret investigation in to the “resistance” movement spurred by college socialists and anarchists in response to Trump's political rise, led to the discovery of what the FBI is calling the “the greatest challenge to law enforcement since the Weather Underground and the Black Panther Party.”

“There is clearly overwhelming evidence that there are growing ties between U.S. radicals and the Islamic State, as well as several [ISIS] offshoots and splinter groups,' stated the FBI field report, which was delivered to Acting Director Andrew McCabe on July 11, 2017, and which is being published for the first time in (his) new book All Out War: The Plot to Destroy Trump.

Last summer the FBI began investigating international radical groups such as ANTIFA and other anarchist groups. However, activity from organizations in Oakland piqued the interest of authorities.

Klein’s book details the revelations.

“Now that the bureau has determined they have followers in the radical U.S. resistance movement in the United States, it is clear there will be additional violence in the attacks on law enforcement and U.S. institutions, including banks.

“Ties between three key leaders of the Oakland group [names redacted] met in Hamburg with a leader of the AQAP [Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula] and the AQIM [Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb],' the report continued. 'The leader from AQAP is an Egyptian-born male [name redacted] who is known to be in charge of finances and recruiting for the group.

“There is evidence from informants that he is helping the Oakland group acquire the weapons they are seeking, primarily bomb making equipment and toxic chemicals and gasses.

"One of the men from Oakland traveled to Syria to meet with ISIS; the purpose was for training in tactics, but was thought to be primarily a bonding visit to discuss possible massive disruptive attacks in the U.S.

"While in Hamburg, several of the Oakland-based criminals were photographed throwing Molotov cocktails and wielding iron bars, which have been their weapons of choice, though they are almost certainly on the verge of upping the caliber of their weaponry for use in the U.S.

"Despite having their faces covered by masks, they were positively identified.

"This group and their connections with the radical Islamic groups must be disrupted and destroyed."


Klein also claims that under Barack Obama’s watch, anti-American groups were able to coordinate and foment insurrection because these groups were largely ignored by the FBI during his administration.

“The FBI is really playing catchup ball, because the Obama administration refused to give the bureau the resources it needed to effectively infiltrate and surveil the radical groups on college campuses,' the source continued.

“Any talk of a connection between radical Islam—a phrase the Obama people wouldn't even use—and American extremists was pretty much laughed off. [Former Attorney General] Loretta Lynch would have blown a gasket if she heard that the FBI was surveilling so-called college political organizations.

"All that has changed under the Trump administration. Everyone's aware that the resistance movement, with its effort to get rid of Trump by any means necessary, has created fertile soil for ISIS and al Qaeda to establish a beachhead in America.”


In other words, the far left and radical Islam are united in their hate for the American way of life. They are willing to work together and to be violent to accomplish their goals.

This is nothing new. As mentioned in the FBI report, since the 1960s, radical liberal, anarchist, and socialist groups have regularly used violence as a means to their collective end; the destruction of the United States and implementation of communism or socialism.

The aforementioned group “Weather Underground” is probably the most well known left-wing domestic terrorism organization in the history of the United States. That group was founded by Bill Ayers. Ayers, alongside his girlfriend and several other colleagues, utilized homemade bombs to target American institutions of law enforcement. They successfully detonated several bombs at places such as the Pentagon, the U.S. Capitol, and a wide range of police stations. His group never killed anybody, but not for lack of trying. They wanted to place explosives at a Fort Dix Army dance, but were stopped by the feds. But, due to a legal misstep by the FBI, Ayers was never charged with domestic terrorism. In fact, Ayers is an unrepentant anti-American, Anti-capitalist. In 2000, he told the New York Times that he did not regret the violent actions his group took. "I don't regret setting bombs…I don’t feel we did enough.”

If you are wondering what happened to his girlfriend that he co-founded Weather Underground with, well, she died during a bomb cooking experiment gone wrong. Ayers later married Bernadhine Dorn, who was also a member of the domestic terror group. Bill Ayers is also infamous for acting as quasi-mentor to President Barack Obama. Obama launched his political career from Ayers house in 1995.

In 2013, I had an opportunity to protest and speak with Bill Ayers after my college invited him to speak in an academic setting. Ayers now works as an educational reformer and is a professor of education theory at the University of Illinois in Chicago. He was at my school to speak to our education department and education majors. Myself and several other Conservatives were rightfully outraged that our college had invited him in the first place. But rather than shout him down as current college students do to voices they disagree with, we printed flyers and passed out pamphlets informing students who he was. We also gained a few hundred signatures to show our dissatisfaction. It was rather successful. I was somehow blessed with a largely conservative student body where I attended. But, this led to an opportunity to speak with the man.

I asked him if he had any remorse for his actions. Ayers did not. He even seemed adamant that he was morally correct to place the explosives. "The United States was illegally killings thousands of Vietnamese each week, what would you do in that situation," I remember him telling me.

Ayers also told me that his goal was, and still is, the destruction of capitalism and the United States. But, as an activist, he realized he could be more effective in the educational realm. At the end our conversation, Ayers asked if there was a place to get coffee nearby. "Boy, I hate capitalism but love Starbucks," he remarked.

This anecdote is important, because as Klein's book shows, modern college left wing radicals are following in Ayers' footsteps and are undoubtedly inspired by him. They are just as violent, just as committed, and unless are stopped by the FBI, will continue to try and fundamentally change the USA by whatever means necessary.

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College radicaloids working with IS. Doesn't surprise me.

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I guess watch for his full video tomorrow for what happened this evening.

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Just a technical comment: A great deal of what is referred to as "pedophilia" is in fact "ephebophilia."

In Western legal contexts, and I believe in international legal contexts the concepts are linked to the inability for "non-adults" to consent. Legal definitions of the "age of consent" are essentially arbitrary values that reflect the gut-instinct and/or local traditions of the jurisdiction where they are instituted. The value ranges from 11 years of age (Nigeria) to 21 years of age (Bahrain) globally, and can vary by up to 2 years across any two Unites States state borders (youngest 16, oldest 18).

With the exception of the highest values instituted by law (which are still probably too low) these statutes almost universally err on the side of placing young people in danger of harm. I say this from the standpoint of ~25 years of research and teaching in anthropology which leads me to the conclusion: most 25 year old humans do not in fact have sufficient maturity to be capable of consent in the strict sense of fully comprehending and rationally appraising the costs and benefits of any specific intimate act.

From my standpoint, any physical contact with a person under 30 is in fact questionable in terms of the "non-consensual" concepts which legal frameworks invoke in the construction of "age of consent" statutes. 25 years of age is probably reasonable safe, but 18 year olds are almost universally "children" from any objective scientific standpoint, and of course 16 year olds (the age of consent in Georgia where I live for example) are on average even more vulnerable.

Any other perspective on these matters is likely hypocritical, ignorant and fallacious: one can actually scientifically assess the behavioral characteristics underlying the statutes, i.e., psychological capacity for consent, or you can run with the ridiculous bureaucratic double-talk in which the same person standing on one side of a state border is (at age 16) "able to consent" and thus "legal," but is 1 meter away on the other side of the border "not yet old enough to consent" and thus "illegal."

The moralizing and hyperbole surrounding this topic by droves of pundits, circus clowns, witch hunters, legislators, career opportunists, moralists, and sanctimonious twats makes me want to vomit. It harkens to the Salem Witch Hunt . . . but yeah . . . ANTIFA and NAMBLA and any organization that advocates for even further irrational license to molest those under the age of 30 are especially execrable.

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ANTIFA take out a full page add in the New York Times calling for revolution to overthrow Trump...

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The New York Times published a full-page ad calling for a “revolution” to overthrow President Trump on Nov. 4.

The ad, which appears near the front of the newspaper’s national edition, demands nationwide protests that won’t stop until the Trump administration is “driven from power.”

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“Join with the thousands who will gather in cities and towns across the country,” reads the ad. “A movement of protests that continue every day and night, growing until we become millions… determined now to stop until this regime is driven from power.”

The ad was written by Refuse Fascism, a communist group funded by George Soros which took responsibility for shutting down a conservative event hosting journalist Milo Yiannopoulos at UC Berkeley in Feb.

#Antifa buys a full page ad in @nytimes calling for overthrow of Trump! MSM says this doesn’t exist. #Nov4 #msmFAIL pic.twitter.com/I47cNsCmE2

— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) November 1, 2017

It’s ironic how the Times, which operates under the press protections guaranteed by the First Amendment, sold ad space to a group which bragged about denying First Amendment rights to a journalist.

The Times was already under fire for its bias against the Trump administration as revealed by a series of sting videos produced by Project Veritas, which caught the newspaper’s editors discussing how they help set up the media’s anti-Trump narrative.

“I think that one of the things that maybe journalists were thinking about is, like, ‘Oh, if we write about [Trump], about how, like, insanely crazy he is and how ludicrous his policies are, then maybe people will read about it and be, like, ‘Oh, wow, like, we shouldn’t vote for him,’’” the Times’ homepage editor Desiree Shoe said on hidden camera.

The attitudes of the Times’ staff, combined with the Refuse Fascism ad, underscore how the establishment newspaper is not as “professionally neutral” as it claims to be.

https://www.infowars.com/full-page-ny-t ... row-trump/

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"RefuseFascism.org" :lol:

A site that promotes violence, vigilantism, imposition of a small groups summary ethical decisions on the majority, crime in the name of "revolution," oppression of any who fail to acknowledge their supremacy, exclusionary dogmatism, criminal abuse, flouting of democratic, judicial and legislative procedures, stigmatization of others . . . :P

They probably don't even perceive their own hypocrisy!

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https://www.quora.com/What-do-Russians-think-of-Antifa/answer/Dima-Vorobiev?srid=zfqv

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What do Russians think of Antifa?


Dima Vorobiev, I worked for Soviet propaganda

Antifa is hated in Russia.

We Russians have seen what the radical left does to countries and people. We lived in the wilderness they left in their wake. You may have heard what happened to Russia in 1917, too. We don’t want the same happening to our kids, and to the kids of our kids.

For us, they are worse than Nazis. We could fight Nazis, and we did. We crushed them in 1945. But the romantic radical left, in the guise of Bolsheviks, and their allies, started the carnage in 1917, and had a blast killing us, and we could do nothing.

Stalin wiped out these romantics in the Great Purge of 1930s all right. But that was no sweet revenge at all. It couldn’t bring back everyone and everything they blew out of existence. It couldn’t bring back the gentle Russia of Tolstoy and Chekhov and the nascent liberal wave that the aristocratic Russia could have brought into the 20th century. The revolutionary romantics annihilated that world, and nothing can help it take its tender, compassionate, magnanimous shape.

So if the Russia of the 20th century can teach you just one single lesson, this is the one:

These guys are as bad as Nazis. Maybe worse.

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ANTIFA take out a full page add in the New York Times calling for revolution to overthrow Trump...

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The New York Times published a full-page ad calling for a “revolution” to overthrow President Trump on Nov. 4.

[SNIP]


So how did Antifa's 'call to protest' work out?

ANTIFAIL: Low Turnouts At Nationwide ‘Refuse Fascism’ Protests

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Refuse Fascism, the group behind this weekend’s multi-city Antifa rallies, claims to be “organizing millions of people to drive out the fascist Trump / Pence regime.” Actual turnout on the first day of their nationwide rallies was far lower.
The group, founded by Revolutionary Communist Party chairman Bob Avakian, took out a full-page ad in the New York Times to promote the rally, and has enjoyed free press in the national media in the past few days.

Despite the press attention, turnout was low at many of Refuse Fascism’s rallies, which were scheduled to take place in 20 U.S. cities. The exception appears to have been L.A, where local news reported that close to 2,000 protesters gathered.

There were no reports of violent incidents, although a woman accused of deliberately splashing her drink on a Trump supporter was reportedly arrested at the Refuse Fascism march in New York City.

[snip]

The Chicago protest later grew to a small crowd.

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In the Antifa stronghold of Seattle, local observers estimate an attendance of about 50 during the afternoon. Many protest signs can be seen lying on the ground, untouched and unused.

[snip]

Refuse Fascism even tried to organize in Texas, but only managed to mobilize what appeared to be just over a dozen protesters.
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More, photos and multiple videos at the above link.

So it looks like Antifa's call to revolution failed.

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