So anyway, after learning the details from chijohnaok pertaining to the Portland "free speech" rally. I went to the ANTIFA/USA Face Book page in an attempt to gain some enlightenment on what their views are. I sent them the following message.
After posting the message, I browsed down a little further among the articles already posted on the page. I came across one where a young girl professing to be of American Indian descent posted saying that she thought "right" would be all whites going back to our place of origin and leaving America to Native Americans.As an American and someone who would like to live in peace and see others live in peace too, I’m a little concerned about some things that have happened recently. I’d really like to hear ANTIFA/USA’s feedback on this or at least feedback from some of your members who might be able to enlighten me further.
I read that there was a political rally in Portland yesterday (Sunday 6/4/17) in which members of ANTIFA and members of another rally clashed. I’ve seen the logos around that say, “punch fascists”. And I’m a little concerned as to what constitutes a “fascist” in the eyes of ANTIFA members? According to the FB page of the other rally (https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPrayerUSA/), their rally was supposed to be about “free speech” and not about racial discrimination and other xenophobic things that Fascists are usually in favor of. Did they deliberately take measures to exclude blacks and other minorities from participating with them? Or what was the rationale behind organizing and/or participating in a counter rally which allegedly resulted in bricks and things being thrown at police by ANTIFA members?
It really sounds to me like ANTIFA may perhaps be either misguided in this instance or else intolerant of political diversity. But I’d really like to see more open and honest debate about it between members of ANTIFA and those who are curious about why you do what you do. I am posting this here with the hopes that it will be approved on your page and that ANTIFA members will respond. If not, it would be greatly appreciated if you or someone could reference an Internet page where such debate between your members and other Americans can correspond with each other in a civil and respectful manner.
Thank you very much.
So I decided to respond to the girl's response also.
To my delight the girl responded that she was being ironic and that she loved my post because the point of her post was that ANTIFA was being unreasonable. She reciprocated with many of the ideas I posted in my reply to express she felt the same way. So I'm thinking what a nice thing to happen. Two people who might otherwise be at odds finding a point of mutual understanding and belief.First a clarification: I do not belong to ANTIFA. I’m just posting here because I came across this page after reading some things that happened in the news recently (which I felt sort of alarmed about) and wanted to find out more about ANTIFA—the organization allegedly responsible for the events that alarmed me.
But I saw your post and feel a strong desire to comment.
We’ve all probably been born here (in the United States) against our personal wills. I don’t recall asking to be born in the US and with “white” skin. I suppose I “lucked out” in some respects. In other respects it seems that I am somehow the source of many world problems because of the color of my skin. I try not to be prejudiced against anyone with a different shade of skin. I’m mostly a pacifist and I believe in many “liberal” ideals such as liberty, toleration, equality of opportunity, fraternity et Al. I hope those are good things to believe in. Otherwise I’m not sure what else can be reasonably expected of me.
People all over the world are born into their situations as members of a society they did not necessarily choose to be born into. We grow up and we discover sometimes that our ancestors may have done something wrong to get us where we are or that someone else’s ancestors may have wronged ours. There’s not a whole lot that can be reasonably done to change that except to be more conscientious going forward and perhaps repair damages as best we are able. If it is expected that diaspora should all go back to their places of origin before they kicked someone else off their land, then almost everyone on Earth would be returning somewhere, depending upon what arbitrary point in history we decide to draw a line at.
This seems entirely unreasonable to me. If you believe that justice can only be served by something like that then I have a feeling you’ll probably remain disappointed and disaffected for eternity. Being unsatisfied with the way things are can make a person profoundly unhappy. When a person becomes profoundly unhappy they may either withdraw into themselves and slowly whither or they may become angry and lash out. Neither of those two outcomes is good for anyone.
Therefore, I would like to suggest lowering your expectations of what would make things “right”. It would probably make you happier and by extension everyone you affect around you happier as well.
But I welcome your feedback. Maybe I’ve got it all wrong in my comments above.
So I go back to the ANTIFA page a little later and find that her posts and my posts are no longer on the article and there's no longer a "comment" button on the page for me to make any comments. I'm wondering if the page admin blocked me or what?
Seriously, is anyone that depraved of common sense that they would block out any attempt to communicate with them other than to simply applaud everything they do unconditionally? I am stunned. I would have thought ANTIFA would be a little more about finding commonality instead of perpetuating difference and animosity.
Apologies to ANTIFA for my negative feedback of how I was treated, but I believe you have earned it fairly.