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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:37 am 
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That's the A model. The Ms will still be up.


Yup, that was said in the article.

I applaud them for upgrading the the C-5M if that is a better/more efficient model.

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My basic training unit, Karelian Brigade and their supply forces use ATVs.

They're handy at transporting equipment to small units in rough terrain as well as retrieving wounded. Finland does not have the kind of aerial medevac capacity and in all likely scenarios the helicopters themselves would face unbearable risks. Small ATVs can better avoid enemy fire while also moving rapidly and carrying heavy loads in the typical broken terrain that we have. A group of ATVs can resupply even a medium sized unit in rough terrain without having to worry about roads and without having to worry about the roads being mined or ambushes along the obvious road route.

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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/finland/2017-10-09/finnish-model

Can't view the article, it's behind a paywall but here's a Finnish version referring to it:

https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/amerikkalaislehti-ylistaa-puolustusvoimia-ottakaa-suomesta-mallia/

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The Finnish Model
To Improve Europe’s Militaries, Look North
By Elisabeth Braw
When Mikael Granlund was called up for service in Finland’s military seven years ago, he could have tried to get an exemption. For an elite ice hockey player such as Granlund, who now plays for the National Hockey League team Minnesota Wild, a year in the armed forces can bring serious athletic setbacks. But Granlund didn’t try to be exempted.

“For a Finn, it’s an honor to do military service,” the 25-year-old Granlund said this month. “It’s just something you do if you want your country to stay independent.” What about athletes? “Professional athletes do it, too,” Granlund added. “It’s just something you want to do.”

Granlund is not alone. Each year, several of Finland’s top athletes join the Finnish Defence Forces as conscripts. So do music stars, who could similarly try to be exempted. Though the FDF—like most armed forces—exempts would-be conscripts only for health-related reasons, in many countries young men fake illnesses in order to avoid service. And young star athletes and artists would, one might think, have a good reason to avoid the draft, as their careers could suffer irreparably from a year away from the limelight. (Next year’s cohort of conscripts will include one of the country’s biggest pop stars, Robin, who will enter the navy.)

Indeed, as Granlund’s and Robin’s enlistments show, the FDF has managed a feat that other armed forces could learn from: it has made itself an attractive destination for conscripts and professional troops alike. This helps explain why the armed forces routinely have more applicants than openings for noncommissioned officer positions. According to a May Eurobarometer poll, 95 percent of Finns trust their army, a higher rate than anywhere else in the European Union.


In 2002 only half of Finnish conscripts saw the service as positive thing. Now we're close to 70%. In 2002 Finnish Military adopted a system where it frequently interviews NCOs and conscripts and really listens to what they have to say about the service experience. While it seems like 'soft approach' is not fitting for a military organization, the increase in morale is making the troops try harder to give their best. It is also directly impacting Finland's ability to recruit and maintain it's forces.

In other words, good morale is not bad in itself. This autumn the troops gave 4/5 rating for their respective units' cohesion / unity, with officers receiving the same score.

According to Foreign Affairs, leadership skills of Finnish officers have improved over the 15 year period along with the satisfaction of the troops thanks to the system.

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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/finland/2017-10-09/finnish-model

Can't view the article, it's behind a paywall but here's a Finnish version referring to it:

https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/amerikkalaislehti-ylistaa-puolustusvoimia-ottakaa-suomesta-mallia/

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The Finnish Model
To Improve Europe’s Militaries, Look North
By Elisabeth Braw
When Mikael Granlund was called up for service in Finland’s military seven years ago, he could have tried to get an exemption. For an elite ice hockey player such as Granlund, who now plays for the National Hockey League team Minnesota Wild, a year in the armed forces can bring serious athletic setbacks. But Granlund didn’t try to be exempted.

“For a Finn, it’s an honor to do military service,” the 25-year-old Granlund said this month. “It’s just something you do if you want your country to stay independent.” What about athletes? “Professional athletes do it, too,” Granlund added. “It’s just something you want to do.”

Granlund is not alone. Each year, several of Finland’s top athletes join the Finnish Defence Forces as conscripts. So do music stars, who could similarly try to be exempted. Though the FDF—like most armed forces—exempts would-be conscripts only for health-related reasons, in many countries young men fake illnesses in order to avoid service. And young star athletes and artists would, one might think, have a good reason to avoid the draft, as their careers could suffer irreparably from a year away from the limelight. (Next year’s cohort of conscripts will include one of the country’s biggest pop stars, Robin, who will enter the navy.)

Indeed, as Granlund’s and Robin’s enlistments show, the FDF has managed a feat that other armed forces could learn from: it has made itself an attractive destination for conscripts and professional troops alike. This helps explain why the armed forces routinely have more applicants than openings for noncommissioned officer positions. According to a May Eurobarometer poll, 95 percent of Finns trust their army, a higher rate than anywhere else in the European Union.


In 2002 only half of Finnish conscripts saw the service as positive thing. Now we're close to 70%. In 2002 Finnish Military adopted a system where it frequently interviews NCOs and conscripts and really listens to what they have to say about the service experience. While it seems like 'soft approach' is not fitting for a military organization, the increase in morale is making the troops try harder to give their best. It is also directly impacting Finland's ability to recruit and maintain it's forces.

In other words, good morale is not bad in itself. This autumn the troops gave 4/5 rating for their respective units' cohesion / unity, with officers receiving the same score.

According to Foreign Affairs, leadership skills of Finnish officers have improved over the 15 year period along with the satisfaction of the troops thanks to the system.


The English version is also behind a paywall for me.

It sounds as if the Finnish military is doing something right (in getting Finnish people to think positively about their military).

I think that the US military went through a similar phase, with many in the public thinking negatively about the military during the late and post Vietnam period, and then rising to where it is today.
I know that one change occurred in the US during that time period was that conscription ended in 1973. Males still have to register for the draft (through Selective Service) in case of a national emergency, but no one is currently conscripted. The US has an all volunteer force.

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After being unemployed since last November, I wound up getting two job offers at the same time. One in healthcare IT at a hospital in Manitowoc, and then one from Oshkosh Defense. I took the latter, as driving 12 miles is better than 46 miles each way. My son's excited that I'm working for the company that makes the stuff he drives around.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:41 am 
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The English version is also behind a paywall for me.

It sounds as if the Finnish military is doing something right (in getting Finnish people to think positively about their military).

I think that the US military went through a similar phase, with many in the public thinking negatively about the military during the late and post Vietnam period, and then rising to where it is today.
I know that one change occurred in the US during that time period was that conscription ended in 1973. Males still have to register for the draft (through Selective Service) in case of a national emergency, but no one is currently conscripted. The US has an all volunteer force.


It certainly didn't help that the left, the greens and commies all together were rounding up attack after attack on the Defense Forces and the whole concept of national service.

They kept bringing up the single person ever who had gone to jail instead of simply having said "I'm not cut out for this" and getting a permanent exempt. No, instead he insisted in being taken to home imprisonment system for the duration of the service which really only exists as a "well, doing your service certainly beats being imprisoned and if you want there's the civil service option where you help out at some workplace".

In any case, they really worked their asses off to please their Russian lords by hurting the Defense Forces. It was a part of wider attack such as having YLE, Finnish BBC take down all patriotic traditions and content and replacing them with pro-multicultural content etc.

I don't understand how the rezident senile missed this period, they also tried to constantly bring up "we must dissolve conscription" bla bla. "There's no reason to maintain a defense", "look, even the Swedes dismantled their army!"

They had permanent folks by the call up locations handing out anti-Finnish propaganda leaflets, these pothead hippie types to be precise complete with filthy hair that has formed into rasta style naturally for not being washed or combed ever.

During the time I was living within Helsinki area and I had to actually defend myself for fulfilling my citizen obligation because a lot of people in Helsinki didn't seem to like that.


Don't know if the attitudes have changed in the capital but where I live we tend to take patriotism and these things more seriously. Also, Russia showed it's real face after a long period of excruciating abstinence which probably gave Putin the blue balls.

Still, I didn't think it was bad when I did my basic service in 2005 and if they've improved it for more than a decade after that - all the better for all of us.

I would also go as far as to say that no one in Finland is forced. It is too an all volunteer force, there are a number of ways to get exempted without anyone batting an eye about it and with almost no judgment. Just, you will get called at that age and the officers will be talking to you in the manner that this is what you're supposed to do if you're at all capable and care about your country. You can then flat out tell them "no" and explain some sob story that will get you out for good but the primary reason for being exempted is poor physical condition. We don't want people in who'll only get themselves hurt for being morbidly obese or so.

I think of our current conscription system as an all-volunteer system where you get pushed a lot for your own good. Imagine the US recruiters being able to reach all the males reaching 18, every year and getting to tell them essentially: "So, will you be in a year from now or within the next three years? which branch would you prefer, Army, Navy, Marines or Air Force? Do you want to apply for special forces?"

Then again we can't pay what you guys pay for your troops. Only officers and permanent staff get real salary, the rest get just enough money to buy some donuts and coffee every day.

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After being unemployed since last November, I wound up getting two job offers at the same time. One in healthcare IT at a hospital in Manitowoc, and then one from Oshkosh Defense. I took the latter, as driving 12 miles is better than 46 miles each way. My son's excited that I'm working for the company that makes the stuff he drives around.

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Congrats!

It's unfortunate that they don't yet have mil-spec VR systems that I'm aware of. It would be a breeze to whip up a VR control system for the turret gun but yea, it drains battery and is hardly that much better than a mono camera while being ^2 as expensive with several technical drawbacks.

That's a good looking vehicle.

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Xbox 360 Controllers Save U.S. Navy Boatloads of Cash
By Arnold Carreiro October 8, 2017
https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/10/0 ... oads-cash/


The control panel used to operate a Virginia-class submarine’s periscope features two masts that rotate 360 degrees and high definition cameras that showcase the images picked up on large display monitors. There are a few downsides to this advanced imaging system though; the controls are awkward to use, they require hours of training to use properly, and they are extremely expensive. But the United States Navy has a cost-effective solution: replace them all with Xbox 360 controllers!

Lt. j.g. Kyle Leonard, the USS John Warner’s assistant weapons officer, recalled why Navy officials began experimenting with videogame hardware: “The Navy got together and they asked a bunch of J.O.s and junior guys, ‘What can we do to make your life better?’ and one of the things that came out is the controls for the scope," he said. "It’s kind of clunky in your hand; it’s real heavy.”

It’s great to hear that our submarine pilots will have a far easier time controlling the periscope with comfortable Xbox 360 controllers, and it’s even better when you find out that the $30 videogame controllers are replacing an unwieldly control system that costs $38,000 per unit. Not only does this save the taxpayers a boatload of money, the Xbox controller allows operators to easily learn how to handle the periscope within minutes.

The USS Colorado will be the first submarine to get the Xbox 360 controller upgrade this November, which will be the standard periscope control system for all new Virginia-class submarines. It will be installed on current submarines through the “normal modernization process.” The Navy aims to utilize similar solutions using iPads and other commercial electronics to create technology that new crew members would immediately understand and be comfortable with using.

The next time you’re ready to tell your kids to get off the Xbox and play outside, just remind yourself that playing Minecraft or Halo could be early training for their career in the Navy!

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Xbox 360 Controllers Save U.S. Navy Boatloads of Cash
By Arnold Carreiro October 8, 2017
https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/10/0 ... oads-cash/


The control panel used to operate a Virginia-class submarine’s periscope features two masts that rotate 360 degrees and high definition cameras that showcase the images picked up on large display monitors. There are a few downsides to this advanced imaging system though; the controls are awkward to use, they require hours of training to use properly, and they are extremely expensive. But the United States Navy has a cost-effective solution: replace them all with Xbox 360 controllers!

Lt. j.g. Kyle Leonard, the USS John Warner’s assistant weapons officer, recalled why Navy officials began experimenting with videogame hardware: “The Navy got together and they asked a bunch of J.O.s and junior guys, ‘What can we do to make your life better?’ and one of the things that came out is the controls for the scope," he said. "It’s kind of clunky in your hand; it’s real heavy.”

It’s great to hear that our submarine pilots will have a far easier time controlling the periscope with comfortable Xbox 360 controllers, and it’s even better when you find out that the $30 videogame controllers are replacing an unwieldly control system that costs $38,000 per unit. Not only does this save the taxpayers a boatload of money, the Xbox controller allows operators to easily learn how to handle the periscope within minutes.

The USS Colorado will be the first submarine to get the Xbox 360 controller upgrade this November, which will be the standard periscope control system for all new Virginia-class submarines. It will be installed on current submarines through the “normal modernization process.” The Navy aims to utilize similar solutions using iPads and other commercial electronics to create technology that new crew members would immediately understand and be comfortable with using.

The next time you’re ready to tell your kids to get off the Xbox and play outside, just remind yourself that playing Minecraft or Halo could be early training for their career in the Navy!


And playing Kerbal is great pre-training for Strategic Command! :lol:

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