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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:06 pm 
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How did I insult them? All I did was point out that they probably don't understand what it is like to be an outsider.


No matter how well attended it may have been, the marchers were only a small segment of the women in this country. I know dozens, if not hundreds, of "normal" women. They would be insulted by anyone claiming they were too dumb to understand what had the marchers riled up. I understand what they're upset about and I'm not a woman.

BTW, there are very few people, let alone women, that don't sometimes feel like an outsider.


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Let’s not insult women by calling that shameful nonsense a “Women’s March”

Matt Walsh Jan 23, 2017 10:56 am

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When all was said and done, normal human beings were left once again feeling embarrassed to be members of the human race (a sensation I experience with increasing regularity these days). And I say this only as a man. I can only imagine how ashamed I would be if I were a woman. Indeed, I feel bad for the many awesome women in my life whenever I see a profane mob of self-obsessed feminists hogging the spotlight like they did on Saturday. The women I know and love don’t deserve to be represented like that. To attach the qualifier “women’s” to such an asinine display is an insult to the decent, dignified women (the majority, I should add) who would literally rather die than put on a vagina costume and march through the streets chanting for more abortions.

Imagine if a massive crowd of men had staged a “Men’s March” similar in style and substance, with thousands of angry dudes in testicle hats demanding free porn and Viagra, insisting on the right to murder those most inconvenient to them, and protesting against injustices that they invented in their heads that morning. I expect the reaction to such a demonstration would be quite different from the exorbitant praise these women received. Feminists would especially condemn it, but they would also eagerly use it to cast aspersions on all men. They would declare that the “Men’s March,” vile as it was, did succeed in accurately portraying the true “toxic” nature of masculinity. They would damn not only the march but men in general, just as they always do. The only difference is that, in this case, they’d have some legitimate ammunition for a change.

I take the opposite approach with the “Women’s March,” as should we all. I am quite confident that the “Women’s March” was nowhere close to an accurate representation of most women. It didn’t deserve to call itself a “Women’s March” because those people were not marching in support of anything so universal as “Women.” Abortion, free birth control, a subsidized sex life — these are not the demands of mature, adult ladies. Selfishness, brutality, vulgarity, dishonesty — these are not feminine qualities. Women can certainly possess those qualities just like men, but they do so at the expense of their femininity. It is simply impossible for a group of women to celebrate womanhood or stand for womanhood or march for womanhood while they advocate for murder and shout about their vaginas like drunken perverts.

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Gary Childress wrote:

How did I insult them? All I did was point out that they probably don't understand what it is like to be an outsider.


No matter how well attended it may have been, the marchers were only a small segment of the women in this country. I know dozens, if not hundreds, of "normal" women. They would be insulted by anyone claiming they were too dumb to understand what had the marchers riled up. I understand what they're upset about and I'm not a woman.

BTW, there are very few people, let alone women, that don't sometimes feel like an outsider.


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Let’s not insult women by calling that shameful nonsense a “Women’s March”

Matt Walsh Jan 23, 2017 10:56 am

....snip

When all was said and done, normal human beings were left once again feeling embarrassed to be members of the human race (a sensation I experience with increasing regularity these days). And I say this only as a man. I can only imagine how ashamed I would be if I were a woman. Indeed, I feel bad for the many awesome women in my life whenever I see a profane mob of self-obsessed feminists hogging the spotlight like they did on Saturday. The women I know and love don’t deserve to be represented like that. To attach the qualifier “women’s” to such an asinine display is an insult to the decent, dignified women (the majority, I should add) who would literally rather die than put on a vagina costume and march through the streets chanting for more abortions.

Imagine if a massive crowd of men had staged a “Men’s March” similar in style and substance, with thousands of angry dudes in testicle hats demanding free porn and Viagra, insisting on the right to murder those most inconvenient to them, and protesting against injustices that they invented in their heads that morning. I expect the reaction to such a demonstration would be quite different from the exorbitant praise these women received. Feminists would especially condemn it, but they would also eagerly use it to cast aspersions on all men. They would declare that the “Men’s March,” vile as it was, did succeed in accurately portraying the true “toxic” nature of masculinity. They would damn not only the march but men in general, just as they always do. The only difference is that, in this case, they’d have some legitimate ammunition for a change.

I take the opposite approach with the “Women’s March,” as should we all. I am quite confident that the “Women’s March” was nowhere close to an accurate representation of most women. It didn’t deserve to call itself a “Women’s March” because those people were not marching in support of anything so universal as “Women.” Abortion, free birth control, a subsidized sex life — these are not the demands of mature, adult ladies. Selfishness, brutality, vulgarity, dishonesty — these are not feminine qualities. Women can certainly possess those qualities just like men, but they do so at the expense of their femininity. It is simply impossible for a group of women to celebrate womanhood or stand for womanhood or march for womanhood while they advocate for murder and shout about their vaginas like drunken perverts.

...snip

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/m ... ens-march/


Talking about insults, the author of your piece sounds pretty insulting to those women whom he deems "indecent", "undignified" or "drunkenly perverted".

EDIT: But maybe he is right in saying that it should not be called the "women's march". Maybe it should be called the "disenfranchised women's march" or something along those lines to signify that it's not a mainstream woman's march.

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 Post subject: Re: Women's March
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Gary Childress wrote:

Talking about insults, the author of your piece sounds pretty insulting to those women whom he deems "indecent", "undignified" or "drunkenly perverted".


No doubt. Specific and Intentional based on video evidence versus your Generalized and Unintentional based on weak assumptions.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Talking about insults, the author of your piece sounds pretty insulting to those women whom he deems "indecent", "undignified" or "drunkenly perverted".


No doubt. Specific and Intentional based on video evidence versus your Generalized and Unintentional based on weak assumptions.


So it's OK to insult the "crazies" but not OK to simply point out that normal people probably don't know what it's like to be outsiders?

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 Post subject: Re: Women's March
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:37 pm 
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Gary Childress wrote:

So it's OK to insult the "crazies" but not OK to simply point out that normal people probably don't know what it's like to be outsiders?


It's OK by me but I think you're way off base. Maybe the majority of "normal" women you know are stereotypical cheerleaders and June Cleavers without empathy. As a test you could voice your theory in a room full of women and see what results.

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Maybe it should be called the "disenfranchised women's march"


If any of those women are graduate students or faculty then you can't accurately describe them as disenfranchised. Indeed, given the costs of travel, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that many of them are very enfranchised.

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 Post subject: Re: Women's March
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:51 pm 
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Maybe it should be called the "disenfranchised women's march"


If any of those women are graduate students or faculty then you can't accurately describe them as disenfranchised. Indeed, given the costs of travel, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that many of them are very enfranchised.
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Agreed. More like: The Over-Enfranchised Women's March. At least for those in the spotlight. Some women thought they were going to an event intended to unify and celebrate all women. They quickly realized they were the outsiders that day.

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If any of those women are graduate students or faculty then you can't accurately describe them as disenfranchised. Indeed, given the costs of travel, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that many of them are very enfranchised.
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Agreed. More like: The Over-Enfranchised Women's March. At least for those in the spotlight. Some women thought they were going to an event intended to unify and celebrate all women. They quickly realized they were the outsiders that day.


OK. Maybe "disenfranchised" is the wrong word. Perhaps it should be called the "'uncommon' women's march" or something.

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Maybe it should be called the "disenfranchised women's march"


If any of those women are graduate students or faculty then you can't accurately describe them as disenfranchised. Indeed, given the costs of travel, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that many of them are very enfranchised.


The real disenfranchised people work two shitty jobs and have no free time and yet they struggle to pay the inflated rents and buy food, let alone dream of such absurd concepts as cars that are less than 10 years old or spending four months worth of discretionary spending money on a trip to Washington.

The other category that own two three apartments that they rent to these people who know their wines in and out and who have taken courses in gender studies and complain about the racist white misogynist men and how it's unfair that their own income is stuck in the 200k bracket because of a glass ceiling...

They are very well represented on various marches and they have plenty of time to spend simply marching around and waving signs and condemning people who use unapproved terminology or have wrong opinions.

Thank god we have Gary here who knows how things are. Maybe he could help those poor fools who don't know any better. All it takes is a bit of re-education and you can turn any conservative into a American style left leaning "no borders, no sexes, white men be racists" types.

For the record I am not an American style conservative. I am a socialist and I oppose American style social Darwinism even though some days I wonder why I bother given that people will inevitably vote against their best interests, vote for rich capitalists who will then further rig the system against them. Some days I reckon that if I wake up one day in the capitalist camp I might actually be pretty content being there and with people who are socially beneath me and in inferior position voting against their interests to help me leverage my wealth even better.

Thing is, I don't think capitalists are stupid. They're smart. I don't think conservatives are stupid or ignorant. I think they have different values. Funny thing is that if we forget labels such as "conservative", "liberal", "capitalist" and "communist" we can arrive at a situation where I agree with a lot of what "conservatives" have to say but also with things that "left" have to say. I can be a socialist but I can also support market economy. I can support gun ownership, self determination and minimizing bureaucracy.

Pretending anyone who thinks differently is ignorant and someone who doesn't know any better gets you only so far. In reality no one has all the answers. On one specific topic conservatives beat the liberals hands down. On another issue the situation can be reversed. Sometimes they're both wrong.

But pseudointelligism and presumptuous arrogance will only lead to blindness. And recently I've seen the media adopt what amounts to single truth and vilifying things such as "populism", claiming that what people wants is evil and that it is produce of ignorance.

The only thing that has been achieved has been a complete and utter collapse of any credibility that the media and "liberals" had worked hard to build over the decades.

You can take things only so far but when things go beyond absurd and you will simply never stop pushing and never settle with any victory, when you start saying that men need to to be allowed to access women's bathrooms, eventually you'll cross a border where the majority of population can no longer keep giving in.

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The real disenfranchised people work two shitty jobs and have no free time and yet they struggle to pay the inflated rents and buy food, let alone dream of such absurd concepts as cars that are less than 10 years old or spending four months worth of discretionary spending money on a trip to Washington.


That. Exactly.

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