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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:44 pm 
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Here is the story on Teddy Kennedy asking fucking Andropov to stop Reagan's election.

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Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit


Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.
“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”
Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”
Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.
First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.
Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”
Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.
Kennedy’s motives? “Like other rational people,” the memorandum explained, “[Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations.” But that high-minded concern represented only one of Kennedy’s motives.
“Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988,” the memorandum continued. “Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.”
Kennedy proved eager to deal with Andropov–the leader of the Soviet Union, a former director of the KGB and a principal mover in both the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and the suppression of the 1968 Prague Spring–at least in part to advance his own political prospects.
In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian’s story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. “The media,” Kengor says, “ignored the revelation.”
“The document,” Kengor continues, “has stood the test of time. I scrutinized it more carefully than anything I’ve ever dealt with as a scholar. I showed the document to numerous authorities who deal with Soviet archival material. No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy’s office did not deny it.”
Why bring all this up now? No evidence exists that Andropov ever acted on the memorandum–within eight months, the Soviet leader would be dead–and now that Kennedy himself has died even many of the former senator’s opponents find themselves grieving. Yet precisely because Kennedy represented such a commanding figure–perhaps the most compelling liberal of our day–we need to consider his record in full.
Doing so, it turns out, requires pondering a document in the archives of the politburo.
When President Reagan chose to confront the Soviet Union, calling it the evil empire that it was, Sen. Edward Kennedy chose to offer aid and comfort to General Secretary Andropov. On the Cold War, the greatest issue of his lifetime, Kennedy got it wrong.
Peter Robinson, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a former White House speechwriter, writes a weekly column for Forbes.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump team about Russian hacking: Move on
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:52 pm 
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The head of the US Communist Party in the 30's is now known to have been a GRU spy.

FDR's State Dept was riddled with communist spies.

The CIA SUCCESSFULLY interfered with elections in Iran and Chile. JFK either permitted or ordered the assassination of the elected VP of South Vietnam.

The KGB ordered the assassination of the Pope. :shock:

Putin likely ordered the poisoning of a Ukranian opposition leader.

Fucking Dan Rather forged a letter to try to defeat Bush 43

"Unprecedented" my ass.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump team about Russian hacking: Move on
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If the standard is "interfering in US elections" Bronco should expel the entire editorial and reporting staff of CNN, CBS, MSNBC, Telemundo, NYT, Politico, Huffington Post and Washington Post*


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 Post subject: Re: Trump team about Russian hacking: Move on
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And if Hillary had won like she was supposed to, and as the Russians expected, nobody would give a crap. Certainly nobody would be complaining if Putin had been trying to work things in Hillary's favor.

The Soviets have been helping the US political left my entire life. For the first time they worked against them, or at least Hillary, and suddenly it's an act of war. It would be refreshing if the "progressives" weren't so hysterical about it.

BTW, the Russians weren't just helping Trump if they leaked the emails, they were helping Sanders. A self-admitted Red.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump team about Russian hacking: Move on
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That is a good point about Sanders. Wasn't the hack well before the general election campaign?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:22 pm 
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Here is the story on Teddy Kennedy asking fucking Andropov to stop Reagan's election.


I read the actual document and there is nothing like Kennedy inviting the Russians to stop Reagan election. This is why this document never became wildly known. One would assume that such a document would have been exploited by Kennedy's political enemies.Feel free to show the relative paragraph in which it is said or implied anything remotely close to Russians trying to stop Reagan's elections. The actual document is at the following link. According to it, the whole proposal was to stage a public campaign against the deployment of MRBM in Europe. Even a Republican is mentioned (presumably a dove) as a potential participant in such an effort. So, this was about stopping Reagan's effort to deploy the missiles in Europe which were seen as a destabilizing factor. All thee assuming the worst case scenario, that the published document is real.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/kgb- ... er-to-ussr

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Absolutely, and it has been condemned . But what exactly is the argument here? That we are supposed to tolerate the Russian subversion of the US democracy because the US did the same? Are you nuts? The US also sprayed the Vietnamese with agent Orange. Are we supposed to tolerate a Vietnamese terrorist chemical attack too? You guys, have lost any sense of logic.

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If the standard is "interfering in US elections" Bronco should expel the entire editorial and reporting staff of CNN, CBS, MSNBC, Telemundo, NYT, Politico, Huffington Post and Washington Post*


It is not just about interfering. It is HOW you intervene.When you try to do it by organizing a Watergate, there is reaction and punishment. If this was true for an American President like Nixon, it SHOULD be also true for a Russian President like Putin! It is pretty clear.

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Absolutely, and it has been condemned . But what exactly is the argument here? That we are supposed to tolerate the Russian subversion of the US democracy because the US did the same? Are you nuts? .



YOU said it was "UNPRECEDENTED" :lol: YOU are the one giving birth to a goat sideways about the whole thing.

I wouldn't trust Putin to walk my dog. He is the former head of the fu***** KGB, but he is also the leader of the country with 1000+ nukes and the means to deliver them. They have been killing American servicemen for 71 years and NOW you have a hard on about the whole thing? You are so full of shit. It's all about Trump winning. Any idiot can read these tea leaves, pal.

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YOU said it was "UNPRECEDENTED" :lol: YOU are the one giving birth to a goat sideways about the whole thing.


It is unprecedented for the US. The only thing you can accomplish with your ridiculous reminders about the US attempts to subvert democracy in Chile or Iran is to show that your idea of "Making America Great Again" is to have this country becoming a Banana Republic or a pawn of a real superpower, such as Russia.

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