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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:45 pm 
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It took the southern states a century to recover from reconstruction. Yankee carpetbaggers bled the south white after the war. Compare to the Marshall Plan in post war Europe. The southern economic boom did not begin until the 1970's. In short, the Nazis and the Japanese were treated better than the Confederacy. The U.S. did not rape and pillage their way through Germany as they did in the south. Reconstruction can be compared to the Soviet rampage in Germany.

Yankee bigotry remains glaring, with daily examples of open contempt for rednecks, hillbillies, cowboys, and other untermensch.

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Good article ... not posting the whole thing ...


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North Korea is an isolated, impoverished, impulsive rogue nuclear state ruled by a family that has built one of the most terrifying personality cults the world has ever seen.

As result, Pyongyang doesn't have a lot of friends.

The one country that North Korea can depend on is China. Beijing provides Pyongyang with much of its food and weapons — and is bound by treaty to support the North in the event of war with South Korea. China and North Korea have a reputation for being closely aligned, both militarily and ideologically.

Except that Sino-North Korean relations are not what they once were. More and more, Beijing views Pyongyang as a liability. And that's leading to some seismic shifts in Asia's power dynamics.

After 20 years of sustained growth, China is an economic powerhouse and a regional military power with expanding ties to the rest of the world. North Korea, by contrast, has clung to political and economic systems that have bankrupted and starved its people. Pyongyang has pursued nuclear weapons over other countries' nearly unanimous opposition.

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North Korea doesn't seem interested in changing. Nor in listening to other governments.

Indeed, as former president Kim Jong Il's health deteriorated near the end of his 17 year rule, Beijing met with American delegations to talk about cooperating in the event of North Korea's collapse.

As it turned out, Kim Jong Il's son Kim Jong Un took over leadership in 2011, forestalling a statewide implosion. Kim Jong Un continued his father's aggressive rhetoric. This, along with strengthening trade ties between China and South Korea, is fundamentally changing China's relationship with its troublesome ally.

Erstwhile alliance

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea actually predates the Peoples' Republic of China. Under the leadership of Maj. Kim Il Sung, an anti-Japanese guerrilla fighter-turned-Soviet army officer, the North Koreans offered refuge and material support to Mao Zedong's Chinese communists as they consolidated their hold over Manchuria.

Korean and Chinese communists had fought side by side against the Japanese and several Korean communists participated in the Chinese civil war under Mao's banner. In thanks, the new Chinese regime pledged to support North Korea if the latter were ever in peril.

But Beijing apparently didn't realize that it would have to make good on that promise almost immediately, as DPRK troops launched an invasion of the Republic of Korea, only to be driven back by American and U.N. forces. When the Americans began pushing into North Korea, China came the rescue.

Hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers died in the Korean War, including Mao's own son Mao Anying — killed in a U.N. napalm strike. He's buried in Pyongyang.

The war pushed Beijing and Pyongyang closer together. In 1961, the two regimes signed the Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty, which has been renewed twice and won't expire until 2021.

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http://theweek.com/articles/570485/china-turned-against-north-korea

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... "China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stay neutral," it adds. "If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so." ...


http://theweek.com/speedreads/717795/chinese-newspaper-warns-north-korea-that-attacks-guam

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It took the southern states a century to recover from reconstruction. Yankee carpetbaggers bled the south white after the war. Compare to the Marshall Plan in post war Europe. The southern economic boom did not begin until the 1970's. In short, the Nazis and the Japanese were treated better than the Confederacy. The U.S. did not rape and pillage their way through Germany as they did in the south. Reconstruction can be compared to the Soviet rampage in Germany.

Yankee bigotry remains glaring, with daily examples of open contempt for rednecks, hillbillies, cowboys, and other untermensch.


You're starting to make Nero sound rational with your bullshit about the Union Army raping and pillaging across the South. The major cities of the Confederacy that burned were because of fires started by Confederates. I'm also pretty sure there were more women raped in one square block of Berlin by the Soviets than by the entire Union Armies. Just because your great-great-great grandfather told such stories doesn't make it true.

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Good article ... not posting the whole thing ...

http://theweek.com/articles/570485/china-turned-against-north-korea


Yes, a good article, and the general point being made--that China is no longer a devoted ally to DPRK--is a sound one. But the author seems to veer a bit too far into rosy portrayals of China, a country with its own "stability" issues, and with its own "military adventurism."

Yes, China is unlikely to back up DPRK brashness, but China is also unlikely to advance the interests of democratic societies (in which I'd include, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Bhutan, India, the U.S.) or neighboring societies, including the Philippines, Vietnam, Mongolia, Russia . . . If I were in Trump's shoes the message I would be sending to China is "You need to sit back and let us take care of this. You and the preceding administrations have let this problem arise, and moreover, we don't trust you a bit, i.e., we are not giving you a free pass on your occupation of Tibet, your bullying of Taiwan, nor your land grab in the South China Sea. We'll leave your regime alone, and forego undermining its grip on power over the Chinese people, but you need to sit back and shut up and let us do our job, which is to put this mad dog out of its misery."

Teddy Roosevelt would've been able to deliver that message, but I doubt that even Trump is able or willing to do it. Today's "tough guy" is yesterday's "pussy," but at least Trump is bowing at the waist before the Chinese party boss.

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Andrea Mitchell and NBC did an anti-Trump hit piece about how he was engaging in "threats" and "dares". :roll: :lol:

The "threat" was the PRK boast to bracket Guam with rocket launches. Once the missiles were launched at least one or two would have, as a matter of geometry, an apparent course for Guam directly. You can't just sit there and wait to see if Guam briefly assumes 1 million C.

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So wait trumpf was threatening to missile/nuc Guam !!?? :o

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Andrea Mitchell and NBC did an anti-Trump hit piece about how he was engaging in "threats" and "dares". :roll: :lol:

The "threat" was the PRK boast to bracket Guam with rocket launches. Once the missiles were launched at least one or two would have, as a matter of geometry, an apparent course for Guam directly. You can't just sit there and wait to see if Guam briefly assumes 1 million C.


Well, if they do have a missile splash down into the water on one side of the island (or the other) the people must refrain from running to that side to see it, lest the island capsize (Hank Johnson-style). ;-)

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The Aussies are hookin' up with the chinks !!?? Wow, the poor ole aussies must be more lonely than I realized !!!

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Servicewomen from China and Australia tie knots during a joint military training exercise called "Panda-Kangaroo 2017" in Kunming, capital of southwest China's Yunnan Province, Sept. 12, 2017. The Chinese and Australian armies have concluded the joint military training exercise in China. Ten members from each of the two countries' armies participated in the training, which began on Sept. 10 and concluded Wednesday.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-09/22/c_136627906.htm

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Heard some Aussie online say once that "They estimate there are at least 10,000 Chinese spies in Oz." Maybe they are just playing along, you know, trying to get sting the Sting, so to speak?

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