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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:14 am 
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Ilhan Omar (new Congressperson from Mogadishu 2nd) IS an anti-American deep cover islamist but she does have a valid point about the power of Israeli and American Jewish lobbying efforts in the Congress. Yes, perhaps she did drag out the old 19th Century smear about Jewish money controlling everything but she was smacked down hard by her own party. The response is a form of censorship. It was pretty mild anti-semitism if you ask me. The "outrage" seemed feigned to me and was more about shutting down criticism of Israel. Plus, she is internally consistent about opposition to the influence of money in Congress, which is a problem no matter what side of the aisle you are on. Compare the uranium 235 fusion chain reaction over her comments to the ridiculous slams on the NRA at every Dem fundraiser and you will see what I mean.

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House Foreign Affairs Chair Eliot Engel Slams Ilhan Omar for ‘Vile Anti-Semitic Slur’

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House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Eliot Engel (D-NY) blasted Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) on Friday for suggesting that pro-Israel politicians hold “allegiance to a foreign country” and demanded the freshman congresswoman apologize for her “vile anti-Semitic slur.”
“I welcome debate in Congress based on the merits of policy, but it’s unacceptable and deeply offensive to call into question the loyalty of fellow American citizens because of their political views, including support for the U.S.-Israel relationship,” Engel said in a statement released Friday evening.


“Her comments were outrageous and deeply hurtful, and I ask that she retract them, apologize, and commit to making her case on policy issues without resorting to attacks that have no place in the Foreign Affairs Committee or the House of Representatives,” the New York Democrat continued.



Speaking Wednesday night at a forum at a Washington, D.C., bookstore with fellow freshman Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), the Omar said she fears everything they say about Israel is construed as anti-Semitic because they’re Muslim. She said that prevents a “broader debate” about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

Some Jewish leaders said she then revived an old trope about divided loyalties among Jewish-Americans when she said, “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”

She added, “I want to ask, ‘Why is it OK for me to talk about the influence of the [National Rifle Association], or fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policy?’”



Steve Hunegs, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas, said in a statement that he was appalled by her suggestion that Jewish-Americans have divided loyalties between the U.S. and Israel. He said her comment “continues the unacceptable pattern of the Congresswoman deploying anti-Semitic rhetoric when speaking about Jewish-Americans’ involvement in our nation’s democratic process.”

Marshall Wittmann, a spokesman for AIPAC, told the New York Times: “The charge of dual loyalty not only raises the ominous specter of classic anti-Semitism, but it is also deeply insulting to the millions upon millions of patriotic Americans, Jewish and non-Jewish, who stand by our democratic ally, Israel.”



Omar ignited a bipartisan uproar in Washington and at home in Minnesota last month when she suggested on Twitter that members of Congress support Israel for money. Many Jewish leaders denounced her remarks as reviving old stereotypes about Jews, money, and power. She soon apologized and said, “Anti-Semitism is real and I am grateful for Jewish allies and colleagues who are educating me on the painful history of anti-Semitic tropes.” In the same so-called apology, Omar then went on to reiterate her criticism AIPAC, calling their “role” in American politics “problematic,” while failing to note that the group does not make financial contributions to candidates.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) named Omar to the House Foreign Affairs panel last month, despite her previous support of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel and past tweets in which she claimed the Jewish state was “hypnotizing the world” and responsible for “evil doings.”

Earlier February, House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) said Omar (D-MN) could face “further action” from Democrat leaders if she continues expressing prejudiced views. Asked by reporters about antisemitic statements made by Omar and Tlaib, Hoyer replied, “Congresswoman Omar apologized,” adding that “the real test is the actions on the floor.”

“We need to treat one another with respect and without language that would refer to any kind of interpretation of bigotry, prejudice, or hate,” he added. “We’ll continue to pursue and advocate for that, and very frankly, if that doesn’t pan out, there may be further action we would take.”



The Maryland Democrat did not elaborate on how leadership could punish lawmakers for racism, nor is it clear if any action will be taken following Omar’s latest anti-semitic remarks.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Sometimes, even a shit-for-brains intersectional-feminist-commie-proto-caliphatist has a good point. Why did Pelosi smack down one of the new Dem darlings so hard? Quite an interesting question.

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There has not yet been a holocaust against 2nd Amendment advocates. That is the difference :mrgreen:

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There has not yet been a holocaust against 2nd Amendment advocates. That is the difference :mrgreen:


:lol: Yes, not likely to happen while they bitterly cling to their guns either.

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Sometimes you need to ask questions, for example like why this billboard would be considered "controversial"...

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Sometimes you need to ask questions, for example like why this billboard would be considered "controversial"...

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Deir Yassin Remembered has a few sketchy characters but there is the annoying technicality of the 1st Amendment.

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The "Jewish" constituency is important to the Democratic Party.


As you can see by this poll from Pew Research.....

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... elections/

in 2006, 86% of Jews voted Democratic--higher than any other religious denomination in the US.

That support was declining though----in 2014 it was only 66%.
Their support bounced back a little in 2018 to 79% but still a decline from 2006.

More data on Jewish voting patterns by presidential and Congressional elections here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_vi ... _elections

I believe that they also donate ALOT of money to the Democratic Party (way out of proportion to the actual number of Jewish voters). THIS is what is important to the Dems.

New Congressmembers like Omer and Talib have a blatantly anti-Israel bias and the leaders in the Democratic Party see that as a risk to their support base and funding channels.

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Yep, that is my take as well. I suspect the donor phone calls started rolling in.

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chijohnaok wrote:
The "Jewish" constituency is important to the Democratic Party.


As you can see by this poll from Pew Research.....

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... elections/

in 2006, 86% of Jews voted Democratic--higher than any other religious denomination in the US.

That support was declining though----in 2014 it was only 66%.
Their support bounced back a little in 2018 to 79% but still a decline from 2006.

More data on Jewish voting patterns by presidential and Congressional elections here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_vi ... _elections

I believe that they also donate ALOT of money to the Democratic Party (way out of proportion to the actual number of Jewish voters). THIS is what is important to the Dems.

New Congressmembers like Omer and Talib have a blatantly anti-Israel bias and the leaders in the Democratic Party see that as a risk to their support base and funding channels.


Keep in mind, the folks of Pew's ilk are the same folks who were quite certain we would be two-years into the Era of Madame President by now ;)

I spent a large fraction of my life training in social science, and including the concepts, theories, and methods for doing things like polls. It isn't rocket science, but it also is highly subject to manipulation, and bias.

I'm at the point now where I do not trust ANY OF IT.

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If you don’t trust Pew, then look at the other link that I provided from Wikipedia.

The Wikipedia statistics are footnoted and link to other sources (CNN, and a number of other written works from other sources).

For example, this source:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... -elections

Cites Jewish voting patterns in Presidiential elections for the 1916 through 2016 elections...100 yrs worth.

A plurality (if not outright majority) of Jewish voters supported Democrats in EVERY presidential election but one (in the 1920 election more Jewish voters supported the Republican Harding to Democrat Cox by 43% to 19%, with 38% voting for Debs, the Socialist).

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