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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:27 pm 
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Merkel's conservatives hit 12-year low in German poll

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BERLIN (Reuters) - Support for German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative bloc, trying to move beyond a bitter dispute over migrant policy that threatened the coalition, has fallen to its lowest level since 2006, a poll showed on Sunday.

The Emnid poll published in Bild am Sonntag showed Merkel's Christian Democrats and their sister party, Bavaria's Christian Social Union (CSU), down one percentage point at 29 percent. That compares with 33 percent in the September election.

The CSU faces a tough regional election in October with polls showing it could lose its absolute majority in Bavaria.

The Social Democrats (SPD), who share power with the conservatives in Merkel's coalition, failed to capitalise on those losses, also falling one point to 18 percent.

The far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) was unchanged at 15 percent while the Greens rose 2 points to 14 percent, their best showing this year, according to Bild am Sonntag.

Emnid gave no explanation for the changes.

About a month ago, Merkel's coalition came close to collapse due to fundamental differences on migrant policy with her Bavarian partners who wanted tighter national border controls, which she rejected. A face-saving compromise was reached in early July but underlying tensions linger.

(Reporting by Madeline Chambers; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

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https://www.dw.com/en/islamist-children ... a-44963227

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Islamist children pose real 'threat' to Germany, spy chief warns

Germany's domestic intelligence chief has warned that children growing up in Islamist families in Germany may pose a risk to society. Conservative politicians say authorities should be allowed to monitor kids under 14.


Date 06.08.2018

Children from Islamist households in Germany represent a "not insignificant potential threat," the head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), Germany's domestic intelligence service, Hans-Georg Maassen said Monday.

In a new report cited by the Funke media group, the BfV said there were signs the "radicalization of minors and young adults" was becoming more likely and happening faster and earlier.

The BfV document estimated that some 300 children in Germany were affected. Children in some of these families are "educated from birth with an extremist world view that legitimizes violence against others and degrades those who aren't part of their group," the report said.

It expressed concerns about families who had traveled to war zones in the Middle East, as well as those who had remained in Germany.

Maassen warned that what he described as the ongoing jihadist socialization of children was "alarming" and would pose a significant challenge to authorities in the coming years.

Monitoring minors

The BfV findings have led to calls from politicians in Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) to drop the age limit for surveillance candidates to under 14.

"This is not about criminalizing people under the age of 14, but about warding off significant threats to our country, like Islamic terrorism, which also targets children," CDU politician Patrick Sensburg told the Funke media group.

The German civil rights organization Humanist Union (HU) told DW it was unreasonable to consider children a threat to the democratic constitutional order because "their ideas and opinions aren't yet fully developed and are subject to change."

"Putting children under surveillance is therefore a massive violation of their fundamental rights," HU board member Martin Kutscha said.

Stephan Mayer, the interior affairs spokesman for the CDU's Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), said such a measure would also be for the protection of the children affected, adding that some of the individuals who traveled to crisis regions in Syria and Iraq to join jihad were very young.

Herbert Reul, the CDU Interior Minister of the western state of North-Rhine Westphalia, said authorities needed appropriate "instruments to be able to deal with traumatized and violent returnees under the age of 14."

The state lowered its age limit for surveillance from 16 to 14 in 2016.



Not a good situation.

I wonder what is more troubling:

----the fact that Germany's domestic intelligence service is monitoring children under the age of 14

OR

---the fact that hundreds of children have been radicalized by extremist/Islamist groups (necessitating their monitoring)

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...or the fact that Merkel's solution to this shitshow (which can be blamed entirely upon her miserable self) is to inflict it on as many other European countries as possible.

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https://www.dw.com/en/islamist-children-pose-real-threat-to-germany-spy-chief-warns/a-44963227

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Islamist children pose real 'threat' to Germany, spy chief warns

Germany's domestic intelligence chief has warned that children growing up in Islamist families in Germany may pose a risk to society. Conservative politicians say authorities should be allowed to monitor kids under 14.


Date 06.08.2018

Children from Islamist households in Germany represent a "not insignificant potential threat," the head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), Germany's domestic intelligence service, Hans-Georg Maassen said Monday.

In a new report cited by the Funke media group, the BfV said there were signs the "radicalization of minors and young adults" was becoming more likely and happening faster and earlier.

The BfV document estimated that some 300 children in Germany were affected. Children in some of these families are "educated from birth with an extremist world view that legitimizes violence against others and degrades those who aren't part of their group," the report said.

It expressed concerns about families who had traveled to war zones in the Middle East, as well as those who had remained in Germany.

Maassen warned that what he described as the ongoing jihadist socialization of children was "alarming" and would pose a significant challenge to authorities in the coming years.

Monitoring minors

The BfV findings have led to calls from politicians in Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) to drop the age limit for surveillance candidates to under 14.

"This is not about criminalizing people under the age of 14, but about warding off significant threats to our country, like Islamic terrorism, which also targets children," CDU politician Patrick Sensburg told the Funke media group.

The German civil rights organization Humanist Union (HU) told DW it was unreasonable to consider children a threat to the democratic constitutional order because "their ideas and opinions aren't yet fully developed and are subject to change."

"Putting children under surveillance is therefore a massive violation of their fundamental rights," HU board member Martin Kutscha said.

Stephan Mayer, the interior affairs spokesman for the CDU's Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), said such a measure would also be for the protection of the children affected, adding that some of the individuals who traveled to crisis regions in Syria and Iraq to join jihad were very young.

Herbert Reul, the CDU Interior Minister of the western state of North-Rhine Westphalia, said authorities needed appropriate "instruments to be able to deal with traumatized and violent returnees under the age of 14."

The state lowered its age limit for surveillance from 16 to 14 in 2016.



Not a good situation.

I wonder what is more troubling:

----the fact that Germany's domestic intelligence service is monitoring children under the age of 14

OR

---the fact that hundreds of children have been radicalized by extremist/Islamist groups (necessitating their monitoring)


Anyone remember when Hussein mocked Trump for worrying about Syrian refugees because they were "mostly women and children"?

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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...or the fact that Merkel's solution to this shitshow (which can be blamed entirely upon her miserable self) is to inflict it on as many other European countries as possible.


Yes, that may be her solution (now that she created the mess).
I would doubt that was her intention from the very start. (in other words I think that she acted rashly and didn't properly think through the potential repercussions of her decisions).

Sort of in the same way that Canadian PM Justin Trudeau in January 2017 sent out his tweet welcoming refugees to Canada (while trying to troll Pres. Trump) and now in 2018 that some Canadian citie are being swamped by refugees, the Canadian government has had to change their tune by saying 'Canada is a nation of laws' and asking the US to somehow staunch the flow of refugees going from the US to Canada.

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... Germany's domestic intelligence chief has warned that children growing up in Islamist families in Germany may pose a risk to society.


I am shocked this "spy chief" has not been arrested for hate speech !!

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Anyone remember when Hussein mocked Trump for worrying about Syrian refugees because they were "mostly women and children"?


Yup---that is very similar to what Merkel said....then when the images of processions of refugees made up of mostly 20-30s something Muslim males, when actual Germans saw with their own eyes who was coming across the border, when the German government was finally forced to start releasing official statistics, they were forced to eat their words.

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... Germany's domestic intelligence chief has warned that children growing up in Islamist families in Germany may pose a risk to society.


I am shocked this "spy chief" has not been arrested for hate speech !!


Well, could be a few reasons why they have not been arrested:
----the spy chief is someone who doesn't give a fuck
----the spy chief (being a spy chief) has sufficient dirt on people/politicians that he will not get arrested. :lol:

Sort of the reason why J Edgar survived 48 years as the head of the FBI.

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...or the fact that Merkel's solution to this shitshow (which can be blamed entirely upon her miserable self) is to inflict it on as many other European countries as possible.


Yes, that may be her solution (now that she created the mess).
I would doubt that was her intention from the very start. (in other words I think that she acted rashly and didn't properly think through the potential repercussions of her decisions).

Sort of in the same way that Canadian PM Justin Trudeau in January 2017 sent out his tweet welcoming refugees to Canada (while trying to troll Pres. Trump) and now in 2018 that some Canadian citie are being swamped by refugees, the Canadian government has had to change their tune by saying 'Canada is a nation of laws' and asking the US to somehow staunch the flow of refugees going from the US to Canada.


Oh I don't think she intended it to happen. She was anti-refugee until some Arab girl burst into tears on national television in front of her.

She took the politically easy way out of that one and adopted a 'compassionate' policy, no more crying girls. Unfortunately she seems to have then doubled down whenever any of the actual problems caused turned up. Now the problems are threatening to sweep away the old German political order and she really does feel the need to do something, her solution is to turn them loose one everybody else which is a real shitty stick sort of thing to do.

I'm not really seeing anything in the way of personal morality here. Given the flip flopping its not like she's taken an ideological position from the start. I think she's basically just a careerist, which tbh almost makes it worse, especially if she plans on fucking up other countries just to try and get her personal career out of a hole. That's real sociopath level stuff. I've got more respect for looney Greens who really believe what they do, who you can vote for if you agree with their openly stated views and are in a party that matches their outlook, then someone supposedly 'conservative' (well, Christian Democrat, seems like her party isn't all that happy with her though) like Merkel who has let thousands of women been raped (and tried to cover it up) just to get out of a few political interviews where she would look callous. That's a lot of misery inflicted on the world for one persons job.

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Mainstream politicians will not halt the rise of the AfD by parroting its inaccurate portrayal of the country as an unruly shambles. The country does not invest enough—threatening its competitiveness and contributing to international economic imbalances—but pessimists do not invest. Cracks in the liberal international order threaten German interests, but introspective gloom will surely prevent the country from taking more responsibility for its preservation. For its own sake and that of others, it is time for Germany to lift its gaze from its navel, grasp the bigger picture—and cheer up.


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