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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:00 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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An assertive, more nationalist Germany investing heavily in its army, perhaps even building its own nuclear deterrent and acting independently on the international scene, would quickly invite counter-coalitions in Europe. The old “German question” would be back on the table. And that would call into question the open borders and harmony within the EU, which is a major German foreign-policy interest.

That leaves Germany without clear strategic options. So Berlin will have to muddle through. It will have to keep appeasing the Trump administration, where possible. It will have to accept humiliations, and in effect a higher price for a relationship which is now transactional.


https://global.handelsblatt.com/opinion/germany-age-trump-924967


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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:37 pm 
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The KGB and its antecedents killed and imprisoned on a scale never seen, creating a secret empire of camps, the notorious GULAG, which stretched across the Soviet Union. Even the briefest run-down of “greatest hits” is shocking. The initial Red Terror in the years after 1917 was followed by more expansive human rights violations under Joseph Stalin on a truly industrial scale. His dictatorship witnessed brutal “dekulakization” and the hunger genocide or Holodomor that struck Ukraine especially hard in the early 1930s, killing millions. Then came the Great Purge later in that blood-drenched decade, followed by various genocidal outbursts against undesirable groups during and after the Second World War.

After Stalin’s death in 1953, the Soviet secret police gradually stopped its mass murder operations, adopting more subtle methods of repression. By the time Putin joined its ranks in the Brezhnev era, the KGB preferred to put its enemies in psychiatric prisons (anti-Soviet sentiments were ipso facto signs of mental illness). Since the Putin regime has actively worked to hide Soviet crimes, it’s difficult to say how many people fell victim to the Soviet secret police, but the best guess is somewhere in the 20 million range. Some estimates go even higher—it’s impossible to say with any accuracy so long as the Kremlin keeps its archives sealed—but we can confidently state that the KGB and its predecessors killed considerably more innocent people than Adolf Hitler did with his Gestapo and SS.


http://observer.com/2018/07/donald-trump-calls-vladimir-putin-kgb-fine-ahead-of-helsinki-summit/


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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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An assertive, more nationalist Germany investing heavily in its army, perhaps even building its own nuclear deterrent and acting independently on the international scene, would quickly invite counter-coalitions in Europe. The old “German question” would be back on the table. And that would call into question the open borders and harmony within the EU, which is a major German foreign-policy interest.


Nobody is asking Germany to invest heavily in their military. Folks just want them to spend their fair (and agreed upon) spare. At present they spend a whole 1% of their GDP placing them, I believe, somewhere around 5th lowest out of what... 24 countries?

Spain, which spends 0,98% or thereabouts, recently saw it's new Socialist PM, Pedro Sanchez, state that they will not be increasing military spending.

And we call these folks... allies?

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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Invest or not, Europe's problems are not properly America's burden to share, much less bear. Spending US taxpayer money to defend continental Europe is an obvious way to distort markets.

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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Nobody is asking Germany to invest heavily in their military.


I think the idea is that Germany must find a replacement for the United States and France does not quite cut it. If they are to build nukes it'll be expensive. If they are to build a conventional force that can carry a similar security "weight" as the United States it'll be expensive. And that will scare the pants off Nigel Farage and a bunch of other Europeans.


The alternative is to take Trump's insults and try to keep him happy, and hope that an Obama-type president will take over when Trump is done.


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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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Yes, Germany does not trust France to offer nuclear retaliation to protect Germany.

Of course, they EXPECTED the US to offer every American as a hostage for 79 years.

Trump has never said he was actually going to withdraw the US from NATO. He said it is a shitty deal because we are carrying 90% of the weight. Of course he obliquely IMPLIES withdrawal because that is how he negotiates. All Germany has to do is man up and spend the necessary money. They need at least 5 or 6 full-time tank heavy brigades plus another 5 motorized infantry reserve brigades with 100% TO&E on all of them and current training. They need at least 100 top of the line fighters plus strike and transport AC. They need submarines that fucking work. They need at least half a dozen AWACS. 100 attack helicopters. 100 mobile SAM batteries.

They are a rich nation. Just take a break on funding solar panels for a while.

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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Lava wrote:
Nobody is asking Germany to invest heavily in their military.


I think the idea is that Germany must find a replacement for the United States and France does not quite cut it. If they are to build nukes it'll be expensive. If they are to build a conventional force that can carry a similar security "weight" as the United States it'll be expensive. And that will scare the pants off Nigel Farage and a bunch of other Europeans.


I don’t think that Germany needs to find an equivalent for the US.
If every European NATO partner were spending the agreed to 2% amount, and were smart about it (coordination), then I believe that the European leg of NATO would be a credible deterrent to Russia. The European economy easily dwarfs that of Russia , so spending at the agreed to 2% level would be more than enough to counter Russia.

As for nukes, France and UK already have nukes, why would Germany need to build nukes (unless of course Germany decided to do so)?


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The alternative is to take Trump's insults and try to keep him happy, and hope that an Obama-type president will take over when Trump is done.


Right, just ignore the problem now and hope that they can go back to just skating by after Trump’s term(s) are over.

Man at the doctor’s office: “Doc, I’ve noticed blood in my stool when I take a crap. What should I do?”
Doctor: “Why not just push the handle and flush it away. No more problem, right?”

That doesn’t really solve anything.

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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Trump has never said he was actually going to withdraw the US from NATO.


Might not matter - I belive Merkel has stated several times that Germany can no longer expect America to automatically protect Europe. It is reasonable to expect that something must be done. Expand the German forces big time, maybe with nukes - and people will sh1t themselves - in the words of a German Jew watching Bundeswehr manouvers in the 1990s "Germany's history is not so positive when Germany has been a Power-Germany"...

They could also not expand the military much and maybe Trumps successor will have a German re-set button. Obama did that for Putin IIRC. :)


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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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As for nukes, France and UK already have nukes, why would Germany need to build nukes...


I have a hard time seeing Germany building ABC weapons given WW2 and the massive scare hiccups it would cause in Europe and Russia - but can you really do without and be taken seriously as a major player?


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