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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:25 am 
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How about it?

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:30 am 
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nero wrote:
How about it?

You can read, but I can not help if you don't understand. :(

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:36 am 
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chijohnaok wrote:
My bold emphasis above.

Yet another thing that the US must accept responsibility for.


Germany: "Thanks for saving us from those horrible commies, you militaristic gun-crazy fascist cowboys!"

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:11 pm 
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The Leninist-Stalinist approach was that all capitalist countries desired the destruction of the USSR thus no peaceful co-existance was possible. A temporary "armed peace" being the best possible outcome (Stalin, 1925)- but despite postponing war with the capitalist countries, a war between the USSR and those capitalist countries is inevitable. (Stalin, 15th party congress, 1927)...

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:24 pm 
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Stalin, however, was an irredeemable murdering tyrant. Even the Soviets recognized this and expunged his memory as much as possible after his death.


True - but not anymore. Today, if you live in Russia, if you can't praise Stalin you'd better shut up :)

There is little evidence that Stalin was much concerned about payback on Poland for historical bad blood - which is mdiehl's excuse - when the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was signed. Stalin did not view the western nations as good guys at all, they were his enemies. A major war in Europe would help spread world communism. If the west and Germany exhausted themselves so much the better for Stalin. A treaty can be broken, so signing papers was no problemo.

The elimination of Poland meant one less fashist, bourgeoisie, country in the world. Would it be a bad thing if we through the obliteration of Poland can spread the socialist system to new territories and peoples? [Stalin rethorical question/]


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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:39 pm 
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I never said it was just about Poland, Wiffle. As I have noted many times, Russia was paranoid about western Europe... and the paranoia was reasonable. Stalin was no marxist and his goal wasnt global communism. His goal was Great Russia surrounded by client states. With the post-war west building up, the Soviet tactic was to tacitly agree with the west to fight a bunch of proxy wars in shithole nations to try to accumulate the most client states.

Putins goal likewise is Great Russia surrounded by client states.

Nothing in Europe has changed in the last 300 years. The geopolitical goals on all sides are The Great Game.

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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
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mdiehl wrote:
I never said it was...


You maintain a position of indifference on smaller nations like Poland. Let those nations that can survive make it, if they are obliterated it's their problem. In Poland's case it was a little bit justified too because they fought the commies in the 1920s. :roll:


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As I have noted many times, Russia was paranoid about western Europe... and the paranoia was reasonable.


Well, Stalin was - he got close to war with Britain and France following his unprovoked assault on Finland 1939. Surley this long history of British anti-Russian/Soviet attitudes make Russian payback on Britain legit. All that bad blood... :lol:


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mdiehl wrote:
Putins goal likewise is Great Russia surrounded by client states.


NSS 2017:

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Russia aims to weaken U.S. influence in the world and divide us from our allies and partners. (…) Russia is investing in new military capabilities, including nuclear systems that remain the most significant existential threat to the United States, and in destabilizing cyber capabilities. Through modernized forms of subversive tactics, Russia interferes in the domestic political affairs of countries around the world. The combination of Russian ambition and growing military capabilities creates an unstable frontier in Eurasia, where the risk of conflict due to Russian miscalculation is growing.



The current American idea on the Russian threat is not that it is just a direct military against Euroasia but also a threat against the democratic processes in countries world wide. Russia acts also in the information arena and the economics field - both considered serious. Russia will not necessarily act militarily agains the US but try to find other, asymetrical ways to attack - something the US will need to adress sooner or later.


NDS 2018:

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Long-term strategic competitions with China and Russia are the principal priorities for the Department, and require both increased and sustained investment, because of the magnitude of the threats they pose to U.S. security and prosperity today, and the potential for those threats to increase in the future


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 Post subject: Re: What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Germany?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:29 pm 
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Mebbe. Consider the source. The people who control American defense spending are not the sort of people who are ever going to assess that Russia is no particular threat. So there will always be vague references to "American interests" without bothering to say what the interests are and to which Americans they are interesting. Just as there will always be empty talk about American "allies" without critically assessing whether American allies are truly allies, or just freeloaders.

I like trump for dumping freeloaders.

There is no doubt that Putin wants to reduce American influence in Europe. I don't care. If I had my way America WOULD reduce all of the American "influence" in Europe because the only consequence for me from American influence is higher taxes, less money for domestic spending, and elevated risk of being dragged into yet another European war.

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