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Could this map of China start a war?
By Ishaan Tharoor June 27, 2014 Email the author
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China is a bit like Islam, where they've been is Chinese territory. We're lucky the San Francisco rocks weren't Chinese boat anchors from long ago, rather recent anchors from local Chinese fishing boat.

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/03/us/ne ... heory.html

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There are millions upon millions of Vietnamese and they are hard working. We should just give them about 100 light fast patrol boats with Harpoons and some old Orions and tell the Chicoms to stuff their "10 dash line" up their egg rolls

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There are millions upon millions of Vietnamese and they are hard working. We should just give them about 100 light fast patrol boats with Harpoons and some old Orions and tell the Chicoms to stuff their "10 dash line" up their egg rolls


The Vietnamese certainly have a long history of dislike for China.

It's telling how that's been so ingrained, due to their long history of fighting off Chinese aggression, when they immediately went back to fighting them after the Vietnam War ended. And began getting friendly with us a short time later. :lol:

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Vietnam hosts U.S. aircraft carrier for first time since war

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DANANG, Vietnam — For the first time since the Vietnam War, a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier is paying a visit to a Vietnamese port, seeking to bolster both countries' efforts to stem expansionism by China in the South China Sea.

Monday's visit by the USS Carl Vinson brings more than 5,000 crewmembers to the central coastal city of Danang, the largest such U.S. military presence in Vietnam since the Southeast Asian nation was unified under Communist leadership after the war ended in 1975.

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And U.S Vice Adm. Phillip Sawyer, commander of the U.S 7th Fleet, and Rear Adm. John Fuller, commander of carrier strike group ashore at Tien Sa (spit on East side of Da Nang Bay).

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5000 sailors ashore at Danang. Hehehe. Somebody is going to be busy for a few days.

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5000 sailors ashore at Danang. Hehehe. Somebody is going to be busy for a few days.



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How to Meet the Strategic Challenge Posed by China
By David P. Goldman March 29, 2018
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/meet-strat ... sed-china/

Hillsdale College published my speech in Bonita Springs, Florida, at a Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminar Feb. 21, 2018. The whole text can be found in Hillsdale's monthly publication Imprimus. Below are some highlights.

China poses a formidable strategic challenge to America, but we should keep in mind that it is in large part motivated by insecurity and fear. America has inherent strengths that China does not. And the greatest danger to America is not a lack of strength, but complacency.

China is a phenomenon unlike anything in economic history. The average Chinese consumes 17 times more today than in 1987. This is like the difference between driving a car and riding a bicycle or between indoor plumbing and an outhouse. In an incredibly short period of time, this formerly backward country has lifted itself into the very first rank of world economies.

Over the same period, China has moved approximately 600 million people from the countryside to the cities—the equivalent of moving the entire population of Europe from the Ural Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. To accommodate those people, it built the equivalent of a new London, plus a new Berlin, Rome, Glasgow, Helsinki, Naples, and Lyons. And of course, moving people whose ancestors spent millennia in the monotony of traditional village life and bringing them into the industrial world led to an explosion of productivity.

Where does America stand in respect to China? By a measure economists call purchasing power parity, you can buy a lot more with $100 in China than you can in the United States. Adjusted for that measure, the Chinese economy is already bigger than ours. In terms of dollars, our economy is still bigger. But the Chinese are gaining on us, and in the next eight to ten years their economy—unlike the economies of our previous competitors—will catch up.

China, on the other hand, is an empire based on the coercion of unwilling people. Whereas the United States became a great nation populated by people who chose to be part of it, China conquered peoples of different ethnicities and with different languages and has kept them together by force. Whereas our principle is E Pluribus Unum, the Chinese reality is E Pluribus Pluribus with a dictator at the top.

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So what do we do about China? The answer is not to adopt an industrial policy. As Americans, we believe in individual liberty. We are not good at being collectivists. China and Germany have industrial policies. Culturally they can deal with it. We cannot. If we’re going to compete with China, we’ve got to do it the American way. And what we are best at is innovation.

In the 1970s, all the smart people thought Russia was going to win the Cold War. Economists at the CIA and in the universities believed that Russia had a great economy. But by 1989, we realized that the Russian economy was a piece of junk. It actually had a negative worth, because the cost of environmental cleanup exceeded the value of whatever Russia was producing.

What happened in the interim was the greatest wave of industrial innovation in American history. We invented fast, light, small, inexpensive microchips. We invented sensors that didn’t exist before. We invented the semiconductor laser. And we did virtually all of this through the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and NASA, in cooperation with the great corporate laboratories.

The U.S. turned the Russian economy into junk by creating an economy that hadn’t existed before. That was the Reagan economy. During this creation, the Fortune 500 lost employment. The monopolies were all ruined. New companies no one ever heard of sprang up to commercialize the new technologies, and corruption declined because we had challengers taking market share away from the entrenched interests.

We have failed to continue this innovation in recent decades. Starting with the Clinton administration, we came to believe we were so powerful that we didn’t have to invest in national defense and new technologies. Investment went into the Internet bubble of the 1990s, as if downloading movies was going to be the economy of the future.

I’m a free marketer. But the one thing markets cannot do is divorce themselves from culture. It is when we have a national security requirement, forcing us to the frontier of physics to develop weapons that are better than those of our rivals, that we get the best kind of innovation. So the government has a role—a critical role—in meeting the Chinese challenge.

If the Chinese are spending tens of billions of dollars to build chip fabrication plants and we come up with a better way of doing it, suddenly they’ll have a hundred billion dollars’ worth of worthless chip manufacturing plants on their hands. But you can’t predict the outcome in advance. You have to make the commitment and take a leap of faith in American ingenuity and science. We can meet the strategic challenge of China, but we have to meet it as Americans in the American way.

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