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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#401 Post by Anthropoid » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:49 am

They've been alternating between (a) attempting to; and (b) threatening to "escalate the situation" since at least 1948, if not 1917!

Yet: there the Israeli State sits! As solid and immovable as it ever was!

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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#402 Post by jwilkerson » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:54 am

The eeeee yyeewww are a comin !!!

... European Union warns Israel ...
Well, we've seen what the euros can do in the past ...

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So the threats should be taken seriously ... but hope the hebes are more prepared this time ...

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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#403 Post by Mac » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:57 pm

Israel is accused of spying on the White House...
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has flatly denied a report that his country was spying on the US.

A Politico article cites three former senior US officials who say Israel was likely behind surveillance devices found near the White House.

But a statement from Mr Netanyahu's office said this was "a blatant lie".

"There is a longstanding commitment, and a directive from the Israeli government not to engage in any intelligence operations in the US."

BBC reporters have contacted the state department for comment.

Israel is days away from a general election, with Mr Netanyahu fighting to hold on to his office.

The allegations appeared in an exclusive story for US news site Politico on Thursday.

International mobile subscriber identity-catchers (IMSI catchers) - informally known as StingRays - were reportedly found near the presidential residence and by other sensitive sites across Washington DC during the Trump presidency.

These devices act like mobile phone towers, tricking phones into sending their location, identity information, and even call contents and data usage.

One of the former officials who spoke anonymously to the site said the StingRays were likely designed to spy on President Trump. He said it is not clear if they succeeded.

FBI counterintelligence agents conducted analysis to find out where they came from. "It was pretty clear that the Israelis were responsible," a former senior intelligence official told Politico.

This same official also criticised the Trump administration, saying they did not publicly or privately reprimand the Israeli government for the alleged spying.

"I'm not aware of any accountability at all," the former official said.

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Despite Mr Netanyahu's denials, Israel has spied on the US in the past.

Rafi Eitan - a Mossad agent who captured Nazi Adolf Eichmann in 1960 - was exposed in the 1980s as the handler of Jonathan Pollard, a US analyst who gave thousands of top secret documents to Israel.

In 2006, former US Department of Defense employee Lawrence Franklin received a 13-year prison sentence for passing classified documents on US policy towards Iran to Israel. His sentence was later reduced to ten months' house arrest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49678034
Also, regarding that last paragraph, how the fuck do you go from a 13 year jail sentence to just serving 10 months lazing around at home?
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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#404 Post by chijohnaok » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:14 pm

Mac wrote:Israel is accused of spying on the White House...
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has flatly denied a report that his country was spying on the US.

A Politico article cites three former senior US officials who say Israel was likely behind surveillance devices found near the White House.

But a statement from Mr Netanyahu's office said this was "a blatant lie".

"There is a longstanding commitment, and a directive from the Israeli government not to engage in any intelligence operations in the US."

BBC reporters have contacted the state department for comment.

Israel is days away from a general election, with Mr Netanyahu fighting to hold on to his office.

The allegations appeared in an exclusive story for US news site Politico on Thursday.

International mobile subscriber identity-catchers (IMSI catchers) - informally known as StingRays - were reportedly found near the presidential residence and by other sensitive sites across Washington DC during the Trump presidency.

These devices act like mobile phone towers, tricking phones into sending their location, identity information, and even call contents and data usage.

One of the former officials who spoke anonymously to the site said the StingRays were likely designed to spy on President Trump. He said it is not clear if they succeeded.

FBI counterintelligence agents conducted analysis to find out where they came from. "It was pretty clear that the Israelis were responsible," a former senior intelligence official told Politico.

This same official also criticised the Trump administration, saying they did not publicly or privately reprimand the Israeli government for the alleged spying.

"I'm not aware of any accountability at all," the former official said.

The Cold War spy technology which we all use
Why phones that secretly listen to us are a myth

Despite Mr Netanyahu's denials, Israel has spied on the US in the past.

Rafi Eitan - a Mossad agent who captured Nazi Adolf Eichmann in 1960 - was exposed in the 1980s as the handler of Jonathan Pollard, a US analyst who gave thousands of top secret documents to Israel.

In 2006, former US Department of Defense employee Lawrence Franklin received a 13-year prison sentence for passing classified documents on US policy towards Iran to Israel. His sentence was later reduced to ten months' house arrest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49678034
Also, regarding that last paragraphy, how the fuck do you go from a 13 year jail sentence to just serving 10 months lazing around at home?
How?

From Lawrence Franklin @ Wikipedia:
On January 20, 2006, Judge T.S. Ellis, III sentenced Franklin to 12 years and 7 months in prison and a $10,000 fine for passing classified information to a pro-Israel lobby group and an Israeli diplomat but Franklin was to remain free pending his cooperation with prosecutors in the cases against Rosen and Weissman.[15]

In August, he denied Weissman and Rosen's motion to dismiss their indictment on the grounds that the government could still prosecute and punish those who retransmitted classified information orally regardless of whether they had a security clearance or not,[16] an interpretation of the Espionage Act that could have wide-reaching implications if it were allowed to become legal precedent.[by whom?]

A significant problem for the government arose in a pre-trial ruling in August 2006, when veteran trial judge T.S. Ellis III ruled that line to mean that prosecutors had to show that U.S. interests were harmed, not just that Rosen and Weissman relayed secrets to a foreign power: Israel. Relaying secrets to friends of the United States, Ellis ruled, was not in and of itself criminal. For a crime to be committed, he wrote in his opinion, the accused must have sought both benefit to another nation as well as to harm the United States. Ellis' legal rulings set a high bar for the prosecutors, including a requirement to prove that Rosen and Weissman knowingly meant to harm the United States or aid another country. [2]

In May 2009, federal prosecutors dropped the charges against Rosen and Weissman, citing that restrictions the judge had placed on the case made a conviction unlikely. Lawyers familiar with the case noted that the prosecutors' case had many other problems as well, most notably that Weissman and Rosen had a very strong defense .[citation needed]

On June 11, prosecutors asked Judge Ellis to reduce Franklin's sentence to eight years for his cooperation. Judge Ellis said the dropping of the case against Rosen and Weissman was a "significant" factor in the sentencing of Franklin and sentenced him to ten months house arrest along with 100 hours of community service. Ellis said Franklin's community service should consist of "speaking to young people about the importance of public officials obeying the law".[2][3]
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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#405 Post by jwilkerson » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:06 pm

Alright now, kiss and make up boys and girls ... "yes, papa"

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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#406 Post by LaPalice » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:35 am

It is a problem if a criticism about Israel is considered as anti-Semitic.

France adopts resolution equating 'anti-Zionism' with 'antisemitism'
France's parliament voted late on Tuesday to adopt a definition of anti-semitism that includes anti-Zionism, prompting angery from activists who believe it will restrict legitimate criticisms of Israel.

French lawmakers adopted the controversial bill, which was tabled by Paris MP Sylvain Maillard from Emmanuel Macron's La Republique en Marche centrist party, with 154 votes against 72.

The resolution adopts the definition issued by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states that some criticism of Israel could be anti-semitic.

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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#407 Post by jwilkerson » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:45 am

I agree "Israel" is a different concept from "Jewish Religion". Now, I'm not sure every Israeli would agree. Some might think they are the same thing. I do not. I am generally pro-Israeli because I think most of those people have shared most of my principles and values over most of my life. I am not pro Jewish. I'm not pro any religion, except for mine. The "science" religion :D

And I think people should be able to criticize anyone they want as long as they accept the consequences of their acts.
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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#408 Post by Anthropoid » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:42 am

LaPalice wrote:It is a problem if a criticism about Israel is considered as anti-Semitic.

France adopts resolution equating 'anti-Zionism' with 'antisemitism'
France's parliament voted late on Tuesday to adopt a definition of anti-semitism that includes anti-Zionism, prompting angery from activists who believe it will restrict legitimate criticisms of Israel.

French lawmakers adopted the controversial bill, which was tabled by Paris MP Sylvain Maillard from Emmanuel Macron's La Republique en Marche centrist party, with 154 votes against 72.

The resolution adopts the definition issued by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states that some criticism of Israel could be anti-semitic.

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I was curious how they are defining "anti-Zionism," and the article doesn't really give a definition. But based on this
"Criticising the very existence of Israel as a collective composed of Jewish citizens is tantamount to hatred towards the Jewish community as a whole; just like collectively holding Jews accountable for the policies of the Israeli authorities is an expression of antisemitism," it adds.

"Such abuses increasingly make anti-Zionism 'one of the contemporary forms of antisemitism' in the words of the president of the republic."
I think what might be reasonable to surmise is that: Anti-Zionism is meant to be "criticizing the very existence of Israel as a collective composed of [largely] Jewish citizens."

That seems perfectly reasonable to me, and indeed this superficially seems like a step in the right direction in that it callous out the various Muslim movements which insist that the state of Israel is an inherently illegitimate state for what they are: Jew hate. Muslims in the region hate Jews because they are (a) resistant to proselytizing; (b) their state is visibly superior in many respects (better economy, better relations with 'the West,' better standards of living, better military, etc.) than its Islamic-majority neighbors; (c) A successful Israel represent an unavoidable 'sore thumb' of relatively democratic--and even SECULAR if we are honest--non-Muslim success sticking out in the crowd of Muslim shitholes. Israel is an insult to the hubris of the least open-minded and least self-actualized adherents of Islam; much the same as the Jewish diaspora and its exceptional status in so many places around the world is an insult to the hubris of weak-minded, cowardly, racialists like Corbyn or Hitler.

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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#409 Post by LaPalice » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:44 am

jwilkerson wrote:I agree "Israel" is a different concept from "Jewish Religion". Now, I'm not sure every Israeli would agree. Some might think they are the same thing. I do not. I am generally pro-Israeli because I think most of those people have shared most of my principles and values over most of my life. I am not pro Jewish. I'm not pro any religion, except for mine. The "science" religion :D

And I think people should be able to criticize anyone they want as long as they accept the consequences of their acts.
It is normal that the Israelis feel any criticism about their country as a violent attack, as for its entire history, Israel had to fight for its existence. It is isolated in a sea of Muslim Arab nations which see any cut in their dar al islam as a crime which must be revenged.

At the same time, there is the Palestinian problem, and it seems that a part of Israel, the one that turns around Netanyahu, does not want two states, and is ready to annex the biggest part of the Occupied Territories.

Personnally, I don't really have an opinion about the Israeli-Arab conflict, even if I think that Israel has the right to exist.

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Re: Hebe Lives Matter

#410 Post by LaPalice » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:48 am

Anthropoid wrote: I was curious how they are defining "anti-Zionism," and the article doesn't really give a definition. But based on this
"Criticising the very existence of Israel as a collective composed of Jewish citizens is tantamount to hatred towards the Jewish community as a whole; just like collectively holding Jews accountable for the policies of the Israeli authorities is an expression of antisemitism," it adds.

"Such abuses increasingly make anti-Zionism 'one of the contemporary forms of antisemitism' in the words of the president of the republic."
I think what might be reasonable to surmise is that: Anti-Zionism is meant to be "criticizing the very existence of Israel as a collective composed of [largely] Jewish citizens."

That seems perfectly reasonable to me, and indeed this superficially seems like a step in the right direction in that it callous out the various Muslim movements which insist that the state of Israel is an inherently illegitimate state for what they are: Jew hate. Muslims in the region hate Jews because they are (a) resistant to proselytizing; (b) their state is visibly superior in many respects (better economy, better relations with 'the West,' better standards of living, better military, etc.) than its Islamic-majority neighbors; (c) A successful Israel represent an unavoidable 'sore thumb' of relatively democratic--and even SECULAR if we are honest--non-Muslim success sticking out in the crowd of Muslim shitholes. Israel is an insult to the hubris of the least open-minded and least self-actualized adherents of Islam; much the same as the Jewish diaspora and its exceptional status in so many places around the world is an insult to the hubris of weak-minded, cowardly, racialists like Corbyn or Hitler.
There is a problem with the fact that Israel would be a Jewish state: the Arab population leaving in the country, which is not Jewish. That would be a population of second class citizens.

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