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More than 5,000 migrants are taken into Serbia in trains laid on by Macedonian authorities after they give up trying to police the border

5,000 migrants crossed into Serbia in the early hours of this morning after days at Macedonia's border with Greece
It follows days of violent clashes with Macedonian police after tens of thousands flooded into the country this month
Many are injured and a woman gave birth in the crowded reception centre where they now need to get official papers
Migrants will have three days to legally travel through Serbia to the unpoliced border with Hungary into Europe

By JAMES DUNN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 10:56 EST, 23 August 2015 | UPDATED: 18:12 EST, 23 August 2015

More than 5,000 migrants have crossed into Serbia after days of violent clashes with police and they will now continue their journey to central Europe.

Macedonia laid on trains and buses for the migrants after months of policing the border where migrants clashed with police and soldiers in violent scenes this week.

Overwhelmed by the the flood of people, they shot tear gas and stun grenades into the crowds and many of those now in Serbia are believed to still me injured from the clash.

State Serbian TV reported that thousands are now crowded into the reception centre in Serbia and one women was forced to give birth there overnight.

They are now set to continue their journey toward and un-policed border with Hungary that will take them into Europe after travelling thousands of miles across land and sea.

As police organised the huge transportation operation at a train station in the Macedonian town of Gevgelija, pictures of the crowds seem to tell a different story from that of anguish and desperation days ago.

Just days earlier, pictures showed police and soldiers had been firing tear gas into the crowds and battered migrants with their riot shield as waves of migrants tried to charge them to cross the border.

But touching scenes today show a soldier helping a young girl onto a train by her hand, another carrying young boy in his arms, and others standing calmly in the crowds talking to the migrants.

A record 50,000 migrants, mainly from Syria, hit Greek land by boat in July, forcing them to close their southern border.

They travelled north on their way to mainland Europe but were stuck in no man's land at the Greek border after neighbouring Macedonia closed its southern frontier.

But Macedonia has now given up policing the border and transported them north to neighbouring Serbia which is better equipped to deal with the flow.

Huge queues formed as migrants from the Middle East, Africa and Asia waited for papers to legalise their transit north through Serbia towards Europe's borderless Schengen zone.

Many had slept in the open on the Greek-Macedonian border with little access to food or water.

Serbia is trying to sign off papers for the migrants which will give them three days to travel through the nation legally.

Serbian Defence Minister Bratislav Gasic, visiting a migrant reception centre on Serbia's southern border with Macedonia, said more than 5,000 people had entered overnight.

He added: 'We expect the wave in the next day or two to be of a similar intensity,' reported the Serbian state news agency, Tanjug

'Police are working in three shifts, papers are being issued around the clock.'

People smugglers have thrived this summer on a surge of people fleeing war and poverty which has overwhelmed authorities from the Greek islands to the French port of Calais.

Many undertake dangerous journeys across sea and then cross southern Europe in order to reach wealthier nations like Germany.

German officials expect a record 750,000 asylum-seekers to arrive this year alone.

In Greece, a car ferry carrying 2,466 migrants from Greek islands, most of them fleeing Syria, docked in Athens on Sunday morning.

It left again two hours later to pick up more. Almost all will head to Macedonia.

Serbia appeared better equipped than Macedonia to handle the surge in numbers, having recently opened the reception centre in the southern town of Presevo.

Macedonia declared a state of emergency on Thursday and sealed its southern frontier to migrants pouring in at a rate of 2,000 per day.

The numbers had overwhelmed the main border railway station and the conservative government, which has a tense relationship with Greece, said enough was enough.

That led to desperate scenes at the border before crowds finally tore through police lines on Saturday.
'I watched the news on TV and I was astonished,' said Abdullah Bilal, 41, from the devastated Syrian city of Aleppo.

'I thought I would face the same when I arrive here. But it was very peaceful. The Macedonian police told us "Welcome to Macedonia; trains and buses are waiting for you".'

Mohannad Albayati, 35, from Damascus, travelling with his wife, two children and three brothers, said: 'I passed one step but it is a long road to my destination. With Allah's help I will go to Germany.'


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:31 am 
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http://www.thelocal.de/20150821/asylum- ... bn-in-2015

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Asylum 'could cost Germany €10bn' in 2015

Published: 20 Aug 2015 08:33 GMT+02:00


Based on new projections for the number of asylum seekers expected to arrive in Germany this year, the country may have to find €10 billion to fund its already creaking system.

Journalists at the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung arrived at the figure simply by multiplying the flat rate local governments are paid by their states per refugee of between €12,000 and €13,000 by 800,000.

State governments had until now been planning to spend a total of between €5 and €6 billion on supporting the 450,000 anticipated asylum seekers this year.

But Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière's announcement on Wednesday that the figure could increase by more than two-thirds has prompted fresh calls for the federal government to stump up more cash.

While de Maizière acknowledged that the refugee numbers represented "a real challenge" for the country, he insisted on Wednesday that "Germany is not overwhelmed."

While the €10bn figure is large, it remains a drop in the ocean - 0.34 percent - of Germany's GDP of €2.915 trillion in 2014.

And it's less than one-fifth of the cash risked by Germany in emergency lending to Greece over that country's three bailout programmes.

'Federal government should do more'

Last year, the total amount spent by the federal states on supporting refugees was €2.2 billion.

“The federal government must quickly say how it will take on a share of the costs of caring for refugees in a long-term, structural way,” North Rhine-Westphalia minister-president Hannelore Kraft said on Wednesday.

Ministers in Berlin have so far promised €1 billion extra to be divided among the states – far short of the total needed.

States want tax increases

Some state governments are already calling for tax increases to pay the differences.

The state must “improve things on the income side,” Schleswig-Holstein finance minister Monika Heinold said, adding that wealthier people should bear the lion's share of the burden through an increase in inheritance tax and the financial transactions tax.

Heinold added that the solidarity charge, which has been added to everyone's taxes since reunification to fund reconstruction in the former East Germany, should be diverted towards the asylum system.

The northerly state has already tripled its asylum budget for 2015 to €300 million.


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This guy's (Frank Crap-O) argument boils down to "since you can't stop them - welcome them!"

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... European leaders should do more to open up and help migrants instead of using language that dismisses their rights, a UN expert on migrant rights has said.
Talking about "marauders" and "swarms" was an unsubtle way of dismissing their legitimacy, said Francois Crepeau.
European countries should open official channels and their labour markets to migrants because building fences would not stop them coming, he said.
On Monday, a record number of refugees crossed into Hungary from Serbia.
A total of 2,093 migrants, the highest ever daily total, crossed the border near the town of Roszke, a police statement quoted by AFP news agency said.
Hungary, a European Union member, is erecting a fence to keep out the migrants, with 110km (68 miles) of the 175km fence now in place. ...


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"Mamas don't let you Sunnis grow up to be Euros

Let them be Saudis, Qataris and such...."


Apologies to Waylon but how come all these rich muslim countries never take in any of their Umma? The fucking Qataris helped fund ISIS. The Euros are being played for suckers. They are inviting the Pod People into Europe and providing free water and fertilizer.

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If the rags were smart like gumpf or hussein, their strategy would be to invade yourUp in this way ... just keeping sending folks across the border ... eventually you assimilate the former population ... no need for big wars ... that's probably about what happened to Rome between about 200 and 600 a.d.

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Charles Martel and Vlad do all the hard work but it is all for naught. Now we are shipping them in by train 5,000 "lone wolves" at a time.

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jwilkerson wrote:
This guy's (Frank Crap-O) argument boils down to "since you can't stop them - welcome them!"

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... European leaders should do more to open up and help migrants instead of using language that dismisses their rights, a UN expert on migrant rights has said.
Talking about "marauders" and "swarms" was an unsubtle way of dismissing their legitimacy, said Francois Crepeau.
European countries should open official channels and their labour markets to migrants because building fences would not stop them coming, he said.
On Monday, a record number of refugees crossed into Hungary from Serbia.
A total of 2,093 migrants, the highest ever daily total, crossed the border near the town of Roszke, a police statement quoted by AFP news agency said.
Hungary, a European Union member, is erecting a fence to keep out the migrants, with 110km (68 miles) of the 175km fence now in place. ...


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Good analogy. This isn't Grapes of Wrath. These folks have funny accents and they are poor but they will not assimilate. The will form or join neighborhoods and the call to prayer will be blast over loudspeaker in every major city in Europe. Then, when the critical mass is reached, there will be instruction given at Friday "kill the kuffir "meeting.

BTW, that wasn't Capra, that was Ford.

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Madness: The European Refugee Crisis

Today's economic migrants to Europe and America are not looking for virgin soil to farm on the open range. They are seeking welfare services.

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Europe's refugee crisis has escalated from tragedy to farce. More than 2000 people have died this year trying to enter Europe [4] via the Mediterranean -- on top of unknown numbers who perished in the Sahara Desert on their way to Libya to risk the sea crossing. Thousands more languish in smuggler's dens [5] or Ukrainian prisons [6].

But for the lucky many who make it to the shores of the European Union (arrivals now exceed [7] 100,000 a month) the journey has just begun. African and Middle Eastern boat migrants do not want to stay in Italy and the Italian government is only too happy to pass them through. Train conductors turn a blind eye [8] to migrants headed north.

Under pressure from the liberal internationalist intelligentsia, buck-passing has become a carnival act farther east in Macedonia. Thousands of refugees had piled up [9] on Macedonia's border as they tried to travel north from Greece toward Germany, Scandinavia, and the United Kingdom. Reporters flocked to Macedonia to expose the Balkan country's harsh border enforcement.

Macedonia, sensitive about its human rights record, did the only logical thing: it opened its border, scheduled extra train and bus services, and herded migrants [10] north to Serbia. Serbia is likely to do the same, passing the burden on to Hungary, which lies on the edge of the European Union's visa-free Schengen area. Hungary is rushing to build a border fence [11] to keep them out.

But these migrants do not desire refuge in Hungary any more than they desire refuge in Italy, Greece, Macedonia, or Serbia. In fact, they refuse to accept refuge in any of these countries. They want to be registered as refugees in northern Europe, where they (probably correctly) believe that they can build better lives than in the austerity-wracked south.

These migrants are willing to make enormous sacrifices so that their children's children can be born in the world's richest countries. They are, in effect, citizenship shopping -- not just for themselves, but for future generations of their families. They certainly have no intention to return to Afghanistan, Eritrea, or Syria if and when peace is restored. They are on a one-way road to a better future.

The Chunnel Jungle:

This is nothing new. For years it was stories from Calais about African and Middle Eastern refugees trying to sneak through the Channel Tunnel to England. People died in ones and twos as they were run over by trucks, slipped off the bottom of train cars, or drowned trying to reach ferries making the 20-mile passage to Dover.

The camps in Calais came to be known as "the jungle" and a succession of British prime ministers and French presidents have been excoriated [12] for not offering shelter to the hundreds and then thousands of people stranded in France on their way to pursue their dreams in England.

Now this trickle has turned into a flood and the bizarre standoff at the entrance to the Channel Tunnel has turned into a continent-wide crisis. No one denies that these Africans and Middle Easterners are fleeing terrible conditions in their home countries. No one should deny that they should be offered safe refuge. But equally no one should assert that these or any migrants have a human right to refuge-shop in the country of their choice.

When people fleeing terrible conditions in their home countries refuse refuge in countries like Greece and Italy they cease to be refugees and become irregular economic migrants. This is not to vilify economic migrants. But sovereign states have neither a moral nor a legal obligation to admit economic migrants. Ours is not a world of open borders.

Proponents of open borders often point to the American experience. How can Americans put up fences when our own ancestors were, for the most part, economic migrants who came to America in the simple pursuit of a better life? Shouldn't Europeans embrace the American example and open their borders to people fleeing terrible circumstances in Africa and the Middle East?

From the comfortable distance of the twenty-first century it is easy to forget that the price of America's openness to immigration was the genocide of dozens of Native American nations. Most Americans alive today are the beneficiaries of this genocide. But it is not an attractive model for Europe -- or even for contemporary America.

In Search of Welfare:

Today's economic migrants to Europe and America are not looking for virgin soil to farm on the open range. They are seeking welfare services. Liberal intellectuals cringe at the charge that refugees are welfare migrants, but these liberal intellectuals fail to understand the scope and scale of the modern welfare state and what it means for migrants.

In most countries direct income support ("welfare") payments to migrants are relatively small. Few people would expose their children to the dangers of people smuggling and the challenges of adjusting to life in a foreign land for a mere pittance in government handouts. But welfare means much more than handouts.

Welfare includes free primary and high school education, free or highly subsidized university education, free or highly subsidized healthcare, freedom from severe infectious disease, free roads to drive on, highly subsidized mass transit, and all the other accoutrements of life in the developed world.

Migrants don't somehow manufacture better lives through sheer sweat and toil. The age of the immigrant homesteader is long since gone. Like the rest of us, immigrants rely on state welfare institutions to provide the societal structure that supports modern life.

You can't blame people for wanting to see their children graduate from British universities or their grandchildren born in Swedish hospitals. But it is sheer madness to allow people to use the refugee system for this purpose. It creates massive perverse incentives for migration, not to mention resentment among host populations. Not only is this mad -- it is tragically unsustainable.

The liberal internationalists who advocate extensive refugee search and rescue in the Mediterranean and the free passage of refugees across Europe have in effect created a system that encourages people to threaten that they will commit suicide at sea unless their children and future generations of their families are given European citizenship and the opportunities this provides for upward mobility in the global status hierarchy.




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Russian Roulette:

Let us not perpetuate the myth that refugee status is not a pathway to citizenship, since the same liberal internationalists who advocate for the acceptance of migrants also decry the deportation of people who came to the developed world as babies and have no knowledge of their nominal countries of citizenship. Listen to any interview with the people reaching Europe today. They have no intention of going back.

Every successful threat of "admit me or I will drown" encourages thousands of others to play the same dangerous game of chicken. And (thankfully) most of them don't drown. The figures suggest a death rate of less than 0.5 percent. Unfortunately, millions of people are willing to risk a 0.5 percent risk of death to get themselves and their families to ultimate safety and prosperity. The risk of staying in Afghanistan, Eritrea, or Syria may be much higher.

But Mediterranean boat migrants are safe when they land in Italy or Greece. They are not willing to accept safety in Italy or Greece. They demand prosperity in northern Europe. All countries have a responsibility to provide safety. No country has a responsibility to provide prosperity.

That doesn't imply that the European Union should just let people die at sea. With great power comes great responsibility, and even if European countries' maritime capabilities leave much to be desired they are certainly up to the challenge of Mediterranean search and rescue. Europe must save lives.

European countries should save lives but they should insist on booking refugee claims immediately, either on ship or shoreside, before discharging asylum seekers into the general population. Asylum seekers who refuse processing should be detained, just as they would be at an airport. Since this would inevitably place an undue burden on Greece and Italy, the EU should take financial responsibility for supporting refugees.

There should be no mobility northward and no civilian resettlement until claims have been processed, and if necessary force should be used to restrict asylum seekers to a limited area while they make their claims. This is not about cruelty. It is about control.

Here Europe should study Australia's experience with boat arrivals. Australian governments have learned to impose control but unfortunately have not learned to do so without cruelty. Australia's abuse of black site offshore detention centers closed to press scrutiny is unworthy of a civilized society. But the underlying determination to "stop the boats" is the right goal.

If Europe wants to learn from Australia's successes while avoiding Australia's shame it should offer irregular migrants arriving by sea the tough love of making sure that their economic aspirations are thwarted. Every human story of the pursuit of a better life pulls at the heart. But the reality of tens of thousands of beggars on the streets of Italy and Greece should harden the mind.

Left, Right, and Common Sense:

In many ways the political right has a troubled history when it comes to immigration. Too often anti-immigration rhetoric has been used as a populist veil for bigotry and racism. Thus it is perhaps best that the case for secure borders be made from the left. The wholesale accommodation of people seeking better lives in Europe will generate more suffering than it alleviates. Europe cannot accommodate its way out of this crisis.

This position will be contradicted by hundreds of news stories highlighting the dramatic improvements in the lives of refugees resettled in Europe. Almost anyone who is resettled from Africa or the Middle East to northern or western Europe will have a better life. If not them, their children and grandchildren will. Sweden will always trump Somalia.

But reporters don't interview the people who die in the Sahara Desert, the people who are imprisoned in transit countries, or the people who are lost at sea. They don't calculate the impact of the migration of middle-class professionals on the availability of education and healthcare services in the sending countries. And they don't acknowledge that ordinary citizens should have the democratic right to decide who will be admitted into co-citizenship with them.

A focus on the migrants who make it puts the call for charity ahead of the call for justice. Some 3 million people in Eritrea are liable for unlimited national service under the rule of a totalitarian one-party state. Another 3 million people have fled Syria for safety in neighboring countries. A billion people might leave China for northern Europe, given the opportunity. Globally 2 billion people live on less than $2 [13] a day.

It strains common sense to argue -- as liberal internationalists implicitly do -- that those among the world's poor who are willing suffer terrible privations and risk their lives at sea to get to Europe should win the lottery of good schools for their children. It encourages others among the world's poor to enter the same lottery. If Europe wants to admit new citizens, it should do so in a fair way, perhaps in a real lottery like the one the United States uses. The drowning lottery is a terribly cruel way to be kind.

The hard Way Out:

European governments should take a tough stand against irregular migration. But they should also contribute massively to the funding of better facilities for refugees in Africa and the Middle East and they should get serious about pushing for the peaceful resolution of conflicts across the region. Most of all, they should act together, if the refugee crisis is not to undo sixty years of progress toward a borderless Europe.

The spectacle of hundreds of thousands of homeless foreigners in desperate need trudging north and west across Europe is the unintended consequence of years of interventionist foreign policies that have destabilized the countries of Africa and the Middle East combined with neoliberal economic policies that have exacerbated global inequalities. As ye sow so shall ye reap.

There is no way out of this crisis except the hard way out -- both for the countries of Europe and for the migrants who are so desperate to live in them. Continuing accommodation will yield an exponential growth in migrant numbers (and deaths), a spiraling crisis that will ultimately break the Schengen agreement. The European Union faces a clear choice: open borders without or open borders within. The old liberal dream of both at once cannot survive the harsh reality of our unequal world.


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I never considered the possibility there might be huge migrations out of China. The exodus from hong Kong changed a few cities in LA County and also Vancouver but that was mostly wealthy Chinese.

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