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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration--Euro style
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 3:01 pm 
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That is the point. And the current law has clause "... or otherwise helpless". I just wonder how 10 years old is not helpless against an adult? :twisted:

A change in law is needed, and now. It shouldn't be a problem to get it through in not time at all. I don't know any party or MP to oppose it.


Stop spreading falsehoods nero.

No party supports that kind of bill. I don't know a single leftist or mainstream conservative who would support such a bill or much less initiate it.A

And you know very well that the left, SDP and Left Alliance (Marxists) would rather die than harden punishments to criminals, especially for the kinds of crimes where immigrants are often perps.

It could be thought that you don't follow Finnish politics at all, given the idiocy of your statement that "no one opposes it".

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration--Euro style
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 3:16 pm 
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That is the point. And the current law has clause "... or otherwise helpless". I just wonder how 10 years old is not helpless against an adult? :twisted:

A change in law is needed, and now. It shouldn't be a problem to get it through in not time at all. I don't know any party or MP to oppose it.


Stop spreading falsehoods nero.

No party supports that kind of bill. I don't know a single leftist or mainstream conservative who would support such a bill or much less initiate it.A

And you know very well that the left, SDP and Left Alliance (Marxists) would rather die than harden punishments to criminals, especially for the kinds of crimes where immigrants are often perps.

It could be thought that you don't follow Finnish politics at all, given the idiocy of your statement that "no one opposes it".

So you seem to know better than I do. Perhaps you have some evidence to prove your proposition. ;)

Though I think that this kind of correction to the current law is not the first interest of our prime minister Juha Sipilä. He is a conservative laestadian, a religious sect that has history of child abuse cases. :roll:

Give us links, give us names. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration--Euro style
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 5:35 am 
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nero wrote:
So you seem to know better than I do. Perhaps you have some evidence to prove your proposition. ;)

Though I think that this kind of correction to the current law is not the first interest of our prime minister Juha Sipilä. He is a conservative laestadian, a religious sect that has history of child abuse cases. :roll:

Give us links, give us names. ;)


Links, like you always do?

I definitely agree on the verdict on Sipilä. He isn't that liked even within the party he leads - his ultra religious kleptocrats somehow managed to take over the inner circle and now we have to make do with the views of his weird sect as well as the country's political leader promoting his own companies to countries like India in the name of Finland while paying zero taxes himself on his massive fortune.

That doesn't in any way mean that the "progressive" leftists and Marxists don't want to minimize all penalties and sentences for criminal or that they don't care more about the perpetrators than the victims.

Interestingly and differently to US in Finland the conservatives share those views but for different reasons, where Marxists see the perpetrators as "the real victims" the conservatives in Finland are either religious who want to pardon everyone and don't see sex crime as a thing or they are Social Darwinian in which case they simply don't want to spend any tax money on law enforcement and corrections, instead promoting minimum taxation while living in gated communities with practically no hard crime, the only crime being their rich teenagers doing shoplifting and then being let off the hook because their daddy is rich.

Essentially almost whole populace would like tougher sentences for criminals and a right to defend oneself or others. But these views are dismissed by career politicians as "populism". Can't be caught making decisions that the people actually support now can you?

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration--Euro style
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 5:50 am 
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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10193772

YLE article on how Police University College made a study that found that half of the sex crimes committed by asylum seekers had underage victims.

Most of their crimes were committed at the reception centers, often against each other for religious and cultural reasons. The article notes that the causes for assault could often originate from "very small details".

"Another problem was dissatisfaction with reception centers... ...the frustration was vented as crimes against the reception centers and their staff... ...asylum seeker could issue threats or destroy property to get a transfer to another reception center"

"There were 161 sexual crimes and 147 victims. The most common victim was a Finnish woman. The percentage of under 18 year olds was 46%"

"1,052 suspects (out of 30,000 asylum seekers), slightly over half were at most 25 years old, 62% were Iraqi citizens"

"Most of asylum seekers coming to Finland were Iraqi or Afghani and they were the most common suspects"


"This was first part of three step program, in second step a video will be created that will help educate the societal knowledge of asylum seekers and prevent them from making crime"

"Third step involves utilization of findings to create training for work methods that prevent violence"


I have a method for preventing this kind of violence.

It has two steps:

#1 Kick them out
#2 Don't get new ones

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration--Euro style
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:25 am 
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"There were 161 sexual crimes and 147 victims. The most common victim was a Finnish woman. The percentage of under 18 year olds was 46%"

"1,052 suspects (out of 30,000 asylum seekers), slightly over half were at most 25 years old, 62% were Iraqi citizens


That sounds similar to what has been going on in the UK--Rotherham and other places: victims were female, mostly underage, and white.

What do the the offenders in Finland and at Rotherham/UK have in common?

Perhaps they are mostly followers of the Religion of Peace?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 8:24 am 
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"There were 161 sexual crimes and 147 victims. The most common victim was a Finnish woman. The percentage of under 18 year olds was 46%"

"1,052 suspects (out of 30,000 asylum seekers), slightly over half were at most 25 years old, 62% were Iraqi citizens


That sounds similar to what has been going on in the UK--Rotherham and other places: victims were female, mostly underage, and white.

What do the the offenders in Finland and at Rotherham/UK have in common?

Perhaps they are mostly followers of the Religion of Peace?


I recently discussed this and the other person threw the notion that it's the responsibility of responsible media to censor these things because to bring them to light would be akin to inciting fury and outrage against Muslims.

I pointed out that burying the problems with "more of the same, keep them coming" is like putting out a fire by pouring fuel on it. But that's a poor analogue, it's more like putting out a gas stove by adding black powder with a shovel until the fire goes out. It eventually will but it might have been preferable to just turn the switch on the stove as opposed to blowing up the whole building to turn it off.

Seriously, all the relatives of the victims, their friends and so forth, all the unreported cases - and not forgetting the growing distrust with media and officials.

That's not how you "avoid negative consequences". Instead of having the immigration wind to a halt and possibly revert with two dozen immigrants being beaten by frenzied racists you're looking at trying to rebuild the initial setting for Thirty Years' War. It is a conflict worse than WW I and II combined when you take into account the population and percentage of dead and the grassroots level of violence such as all the X of a given city suddenly murdering all of the Y in that city, across Europe.

The Paris massacre for one wasn't part of Thirty Years' War but related - all the catholics one day decided to kill all the protestants in the city and by the end of the day Seine was red and full of corpses.

And it all started with two religions inhabiting the same area that weren't compatible and with the groups engaging in hostile acts towards each other creating an endless vendetta that emerged in one of the worst conflicts of human history along with a number of smaller conflicts and incidents.

It was like, people were lending money, buying potatoes and having their hair cut by that protestant barber and the next day all the protestants were dead (for Paris, or vice versa for some other place).

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration--Euro style
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Sargon on "Economic Refugees":


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Sargon on "Economic Refugees":


America was populated by economic refugees from Europe. ;)

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America was populated by economic refugees from Europe. ;)


Very true, it was.

We made it work.

How about you Europe?
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America was populated by economic refugees from Europe. ;)


Very true, it was.

We made it work.

How about you Europe?
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Zero of whom were Muslims.

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