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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2281 Post by Anthropoid » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:56 pm

nero wrote: You promised not to stalk me. Liar. :twisted:
Feel free to put me on Ignore; if you can figure out how to do it and have the courage. I'd be delighted.

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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2282 Post by nero » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:27 pm

Anthropoid wrote:
nero wrote: You promised not to stalk me. Liar. :twisted:
Feel free to put me on Ignore; if you can figure out how to do it and have the courage. I'd be delighted.
:lol:
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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2283 Post by EUBanana » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:42 pm

Farage would be a bog standard Tory in the 80s, or even the 90s.

That he's now the devil incarnate just shows how much the Overton window has moved. Simply advocating for government based upon the nation state these days is borderline extremism.
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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2284 Post by Anthropoid » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:20 pm

"Borderline extremism" would be more accurate I think :)

You guys probably think I overuse quotation marks, parentheses, ellipses, and sem-colons too much, and perhaps I do. But it is generally with very clear intent.

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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2285 Post by nero » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:15 am

EUBanana wrote:Farage would be a bog standard Tory in the 80s, or even the 90s.

That he's now the devil incarnate just shows how much the Overton window has moved. Simply advocating for government based upon the nation state these days is borderline extremism.
Like Michael Heseltine or John Major? :shock:

Fakt jo? :roll:
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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2286 Post by wulfir » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:25 am

But as it turned out, there was no hacking and dumping of internal campaign documents, as in the United States. Nor was there an overt effort to swing the election to the Sweden Democrats, perhaps because the party, in keeping with Swedish popular opinion, has become more critical of the Kremlin than some of its far-right European counterparts.

Instead, security officials say, the foreign influence campaign took a different, more subtle form: helping nurture Sweden’s rapidly evolving far-right digital ecosystem.

For years, the Sweden Democrats had struggled to make their case to the public. Many mainstream media outlets declined their ads. The party even had difficulty getting the postal service to deliver its mailers. So it built a network of closed Facebook pages whose reach would ultimately exceed that of any other party.

But to thrive in the viral sense, that network required fresh, alluring content. It drew on a clutch of relatively new websites whose popularity was exploding.

Members of the Sweden Democrats helped create two of them: Samhallsnytt (News in Society) and Nyheter Idag (News Today). By the 2018 election year, they, along with a site called Fria Tider (Free Times), were among Sweden’s 10 most shared news sites.
teh Russians..., and the truth-sayers...

the "truth-sayers..." :lol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/worl ... pad-share#

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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2287 Post by EUBanana » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:54 pm

nero wrote:Like Michael Heseltine or John Major? :shock:

Fakt jo? :roll:
Either they are thick or liars. Given they are politicians that means they are probably liars.

At least Ken Clarke is honest.

Unless you mean they are bog standard, well, no. Ovaltine was considered weird after the Westland affair, which was actually one of the earliest of Euronutter incidents in British politics.
The argument was over the future of Westland Helicopters, Britain's last helicopter manufacturer, which was to be the subject of a rescue bid. The Defence Secretary, Heseltine, favoured a European solution, integrating Westland with a consortium including British Aerospace (BAe), Italian (Agusta) and French companies. Thatcher and Trade and Industry Secretary Leon Brittan, while ostensibly maintaining a neutral stance, wanted to see Westland merge with Sikorsky, an American company.

Heseltine refused to accept Thatcher's choice and claimed that Thatcher was refusing to allow a free ministerial discussion about the matter, even suggesting she had lied about cancelling a scheduled meeting. He eventually, when ordered to cease campaigning for his European consortium, resigned and walked out of a Cabinet meeting in January 1986. Brittan was then forced to resign for having (on the orders of Thatcher's aides, he admitted some years later) previously ordered the leaking to the press of a confidential legal letter critical of Heseltine, and for his lack of candour to the House of Commons about his efforts to persuade BAe to withdraw from Heseltine's consortium.
Turned out he was a dribbling rabid EU lunatic even in 1985, before such things generally existed.

And Major pissed on his own party to the point that they took 15 years to get back together again, such was the betrayal.
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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2288 Post by nero » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:12 pm

EUBanana wrote:
nero wrote:Like Michael Heseltine or John Major? :shock:

Fakt jo? :roll:
Either they are thick or liars. Given they are politicians that means they are probably liars.

At least Ken Clarke is honest.
And Farage is not a liar? :roll:



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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2289 Post by EUBanana » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:14 pm

nero wrote: :lol:
You'll have to do better than link lefty satire if you are trying to persuade me...
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Re: Welcome to Sweden

#2290 Post by NefariousKoel » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:31 pm

EUBanana wrote:
nero wrote: :lol:
You'll have to do better than link lefty satire if you are trying to persuade me...
:lol: :lol:
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