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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 11:39 am 
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But politically Harry was an anarcho-syndicalist.


I have not found much on his political views. He appears to have been regarded as something of a socialist by some officers for insisting on "functional discipline" instead of "formal discipline". Seemed to have a key role in Marttinen's "escape" to the USA. Seems to also have been passionate about fighting Finnish efforts at downplaying the role played in the war by the Swedish speaking minority. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:32 am 
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Immonen et al has in their unit history for the 17. Division briefly touch upon incidents that occured between JR61 and retreating Finnish troops just before Tienhaara. Basically it says that some of the retreating Finnish troops shouted insults and were of the opinion that JR61 was moving in the wrong direction/there was no stopping the Russians/JR61 only prolonged the war.

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You mean the guys who faced the entire might of the Red Army for how long? A month?

But now it's suddenly that the Swedish speakers are superior to Finnish speakers categorically because of this - that after spending the hardest days in what amounts to reserves they were ready to move to the front after exhaustive war of attrition against Red Army's initial - and hardest - push had grinded the front troops in the toughest sectors to pieces.

Come now, I didn't in any way insult the troops and they did what they were asked to do - moved to secure the crossroads and held their ground against Red Army that had already been largely battled and depleted by those other brothers in arms that had already given their all and were at the time broken.

Sure, some Finnish speaking units must have been inferior to JR61, obviously, it was a stand out unit.

But this language issue and those notions of demoralized and exhausted troops talking shit, some people do talk shit. There must have been a Swedish speaker once or twice talking shit about Finnish speakers too. But we need to look at the big picture instead of actively demonizing either group.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:17 am 
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You mean the guys...


I mean you.

What brothers in arms who gave their all? Sounds like adjusted officiall history to me. You know the government trying to fool you, like they do with the migration stats etc. :P

20. Prikaati gave up Viipuri almost without a fight..! Ding dong shame...

I make no combat value comparision between various Finnish army units. That is all your interpretation. Unit histories and memoirs of Swedish speaking Finnish veterans tend to touch upon the perceived unfair ridicule they were subjected to by parts the Finnish speaking military and civilian majority during the war and after. Not least Harry Järv. :D

During Tali-Ihantala Swedish speaking troops were to have insulted some Finnish officer by declaring that "they didn't have to retreat anymore now since JR13 had moved up". I'm sure there are plenty more - that you are totally unfamiliar with tensions of this sort I don't believe.

From the accounts of Swedish volunteers in Finland that I have read there are virtually no mention of similar tension with Finns.


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Kameolontti wrote:
You mean the guys...


I mean you.

What brothers in arms who gave their all? Sounds like adjusted officiall history to me. You know the government trying to fool you, like they do with the migration stats etc. :P

20. Prikaati gave up Viipuri almost without a fight..! Ding dong shame...

I make no combat value comparision between various Finnish army units. That is all your interpretation. Unit histories and memoirs of Swedish speaking Finnish veterans tend to touch upon the perceived unfair ridicule they were subjected to by parts the Finnish speaking military and civilian majority during the war and after. Not least Harry Järv. :D

During Tali-Ihantala Swedish speaking troops were to have insulted some Finnish officer by declaring that "they didn't have to retreat anymore now since JR13 had moved up". I'm sure there are plenty more - that you are totally unfamiliar with tensions of this sort I don't believe.

From the accounts of Swedish volunteers in Finland that I have read there are virtually no mention of similar tension with Finns.


You can cut the crap.

Are there Finns who are even racist towards Swedish speakers? Yes and it's loathsome.

I also do know that some members of the retreating units said bad things. I will not defend those who insulted the Swedish speakers for being Swedish speakers, on the contrary.

Harry Järv is a case I do not remember. I can't recall if I've encountered notions of him or not. JR 61 was not alone in the fight. The whole southern front was being tested, the outcome of the war did not rely on a single heroic regiment - it relied on a number of regiments exceeding themselves in heroic last stands against what seemed like an endless supply of Soviet artillery, aerial assaults and combined tank and infantry charges.

As always not all units stand to same standards either.


I don't know what your angle is but I hope you enjoy paying taxes to support immigrants that now take up 5% of Swedish GDP. All those Einstein-characters that you brought in, my my you must have one hell of an economy soon!

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Kameolontti wrote:
Harry Järv is a case I do not remember. I can't recall if I've encountered notions of him or not.


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As nero points out, we Finns made a movie about how great the...


I guess you did not see "that movie you Finns" made then... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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I don't know what your angle is...


;)

It was time to educate you a little on your ignorance:

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There was nothing wrong with the contributions of Swedes or the Swedish speaking Finns. Whoever said that?


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:14 am 
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https://www.facebook.com/arman.mohamadi.5817/videos/210653346217673/

Back to Sweden, you know, the actual topic.

Muslim immigrant asks the passing by woman to have sex with him, she says she will call the police. He bicycles after her and starts insisting she can't call the police to which she tries to explain to him that he can't just go around asking passing women to have sex.

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"Sweden needs a Muslim holiday, Social Democrats"

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34047635_759469047596026_2620672641815543808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=573065d7f258b15ba086c807e0d1d743&oe=5B88708D
Man wants to come to Sweden with his three wives and 20 children but stopped at border. Ouch!

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Swedish countryside

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Ignore the Muslims! Fear the Putin! Unite behind your leaders or the Putin-bogeyman will eat you!

http://www.ostrasmaland.se/kalmar/domda-i-gruppvaldtakt-vill-fa-stanna-i-sverige/
Will the Afghan gang rapists be deported? Hell no. "They are not dangerous, they are IN danger!"

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/helsingborg/helsingborgspolisen-till-allmanheten-ha-mer-rag-i-ryggen?cmpid=del%3Afb%3A20180529%3Ahelsingborgspolisen-till-allmanheten-ha-mer-rag-i-ryggen%3Anyh%3Alp
Swedish Police blames residents for the crime going on in their city.

"People should tell the criminals "I see what you're doing and if you don't stop I will call the police" "
-"Isn't this risky?"
"It is always risky to live in a society"

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6964702
Criminal gangs spread concerns in Swedish schools - guess if they're native Swedes.

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"Having a near friend in Sweden should be grounds for receiving Asylum in Sweden says the Green Party and Becka Forsberg"



No wonder wulfir is drooling over some Swedish speaker who did something useful in his life. Why don't you set up an altar for those guys?
Of course if you twist my words enough then it may 1) appear that despite me saying I have nothing but utmost respect for those guys I somehow loathe them? Because I'm a racist nazi supremacist? and 2) Sweden's problems go away - a million immigrants all adopt Swedish mentality and start producing science and tech and products at a rate that will make every other country jealous and willing to adopt the Swedish System.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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So let me get this straight . . . Swedish men are so cucked that Swedish women feel the NEED from some fresh Asian cock in their lives!? :mrgreen:

2:04 MIN KUK ES SO HARD!

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Kameolontti wrote:
Back to Sweden, you know, the actual topic.


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No wonder wulfir is drooling over some Swedish speaker who did something useful in his life. Why don't you set up an altar for those guys?


The actual topic, eh?

I'm not twisting your words. You are just plain incoherent. All those assumptions you have made about my views and motives are false. Here I should build an altar but in another thread you claim that what is in line with PC Sweden is "fuck freedom, fuck anyone thanking them" - so buildning an altar would go against the Swedish PC line, would it not?

My observation is not on your political orientation but that you appear surprisingly unfamiliar with the Finnish-Swedish language battle existing within the ranks of the WW2 Finnish army. "Came now and watch hurrit fight" was presented as a response to the aftermath of the Winter War. In my view you also seem highly critical about official information regarding for example migration, but seem to be much more willing to accept official style information when it comes to the Waffenbruderschaft of the Finnish WW2 army. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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So let me get this straight . . . Swedish men are so cucked that Swedish women feel the NEED from some fresh Asian cock in their lives!? :mrgreen:

2:04 MIN KUK ES SO HARD!


It's all lies! Russia is coming! Need more Muslims to protect from Russians! Rally behind the government!

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