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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:38 pm 
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Note how the white supremacist Kam fails to acknowledge the contributions African Americans and Muslims have made to Scandinavian culture.


Doggie is right on the money with this.

For too long the world has ignored the contributions of these communities to Scandinavian culture.

When was the last time that you heard anything about Adolf Ludvig Gustav Fredrik Albert Badin?
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When was the last time you heard about John Panzio?
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We'll just overlook this little fact about Mr. Panzio: In 1866, he was formally fired, officially for having stolen cigars from the king, unofficially there had reportedly been complaints from the ladies-in-waiting of sexual harassment.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:07 pm 
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But no black king in Sweden, yet.

How about America? :roll:

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PS. Kuin puukkoa haavassa pyörittäis.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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But no black king in Sweden, yet.

How about America? :roll:

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PS. Kuin puukkoa haavassa pyörittäis.


American has demonstrated that it is not against having a black person as president we just chose the wrong one ;-)

How about Finland?

How many more decades before one of those Somali refugees in Finland is elected leader of the country?

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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nero wrote:
But no black king in Sweden, yet.

How about America? :roll:

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PS. Kuin puukkoa haavassa pyörittäis.


American has demonstrated that it is not against having a black person as president we just chose the wrong one ;-)

How about Finland?

How many more decades before one of those Somali refugees in Finland is elected leader of the country?

But we do have Lola.

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Turns out not even muzzies want to be Swedish...

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An expert has disputed claims that Allah's name was embroidered into ancient Viking burial clothes - a discovery hailed as "staggering" when Swedish researchers announced their findings last week.

After reexamining the cloth, archaeologist Annika Larsson of Uppsala University claimed the silk patterns which were originally thought to be ordinary Viking Age decoration, showed a geometric Kufic script.

The patterns were found on woven bands as well as items of clothing in two separate grave sites, prompting the suggestion that Viking funeral customs had been influenced by Islam.

Media around the world including The Independent reported on the finding, but now a leading expert in mediaeval Islamic art and archaeology has disputed the claim and said the inscription contains "no Arabic at all."

Stephennie Mulder, a professor from the University of Texas in Austin, said the error stems from a "serious problem of dating".

She claims Kufic script did not occur until 500 years after the Viking age.

"It’s a style called square Kufic, and it’s common in Iran, C. Asia on architecture after 15th century," she wrote on Twitter.

Dear Entire World: #Viking ‘Allah’ textile actually doesn't have Allah on it. Vikings had rich contacts w/Arab world. This textile? No. 1/60 pic.twitter.com/jpvbrrePQg
— Stephennie Mulder (@stephenniem) October 16, 2017

She said even if Kufic script did exist, the inscription embroidered into the textile still does not mean anything in Arabic.

"Let’s assume there are 10th century Central Asian textiles with square Kufic. Even so, it turns out Larsson’s drawing doesn’t say ‘Allah'," she wrote.

"Instead the drawing says للله ‘lllah’, which basically makes no sense in Arabic.

"Arabic phrases like الحَمْد لله al-hamdulillah incorporate 'l-lah' but don’t stand alone, and it’s spelled لله with two uprights, not three."

Finally, Prof Mulder claims the evidence of Islamic influence presented by Ms Larsson is based on "conjecture" and "supposition" rather than "proof".

"The tablet-woven textile in the widely-dispersed press photograph shows only design of three uprights connected by a horizontal band," she wrote.

The tablet-woven textile in the widely-dispersed press photograph shows only design of three uprights connected by a horizontal band. 30/60 pic.twitter.com/NUOiLR6zbZ
— Stephennie Mulder (@stephenniem) October 16, 2017

"But reconstruction drawing by textile archaeologist Annika Larsson shows extensions on either side that include a ha.

But reconstruction drawing by @UU_University textile archaeologist Annika Larsson shows extensions on either side that include a ha. 32/60 pic.twitter.com/1NyQzcqDV2
— Stephennie Mulder (@stephenniem) October 16, 2017

"These extensions practically double width of band. Not mentioned in press accounts: Larsson’s extensions are entirely conjectural."

Responding to the dispute, Ms Larsson told The Independent: "These finds are with no doubt from the Viking Age. They are found in several of the Birka graves and Viking Age boatgraves north of Gamla Uppsala. The geometrical Kufi is also to be found in similar textile ribbons from Spain.

"Even if the characters should be interpereted as “Illah” it is still Kufic, and as I have understood from the arabic experts it still refers to 'Allah'."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 03881.html

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Vikings did raid al Andalus, North Africa and the Southern Caspian so they must have encountered muzzies and muslim artifacts

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Turns out not even muzzies want to be Swedish...

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An expert has disputed claims that Allah's name was embroidered into ancient Viking burial clothes - a discovery hailed as "staggering" when Swedish researchers announced their findings last week.

After reexamining the cloth, archaeologist Annika Larsson of Uppsala University claimed the silk patterns which were originally thought to be ordinary Viking Age decoration, showed a geometric Kufic script.

The patterns were found on woven bands as well as items of clothing in two separate grave sites, prompting the suggestion that Viking funeral customs had been influenced by Islam.

Media around the world including The Independent reported on the finding, but now a leading expert in mediaeval Islamic art and archaeology has disputed the claim and said the inscription contains "no Arabic at all."

Stephennie Mulder, a professor from the University of Texas in Austin, said the error stems from a "serious problem of dating".

She claims Kufic script did not occur until 500 years after the Viking age.

"It’s a style called square Kufic, and it’s common in Iran, C. Asia on architecture after 15th century," she wrote on Twitter.

Dear Entire World: #Viking ‘Allah’ textile actually doesn't have Allah on it. Vikings had rich contacts w/Arab world. This textile? No. 1/60 pic.twitter.com/jpvbrrePQg
— Stephennie Mulder (@stephenniem) October 16, 2017

She said even if Kufic script did exist, the inscription embroidered into the textile still does not mean anything in Arabic.

"Let’s assume there are 10th century Central Asian textiles with square Kufic. Even so, it turns out Larsson’s drawing doesn’t say ‘Allah'," she wrote.

"Instead the drawing says للله ‘lllah’, which basically makes no sense in Arabic.

"Arabic phrases like الحَمْد لله al-hamdulillah incorporate 'l-lah' but don’t stand alone, and it’s spelled لله with two uprights, not three."

Finally, Prof Mulder claims the evidence of Islamic influence presented by Ms Larsson is based on "conjecture" and "supposition" rather than "proof".

"The tablet-woven textile in the widely-dispersed press photograph shows only design of three uprights connected by a horizontal band," she wrote.

The tablet-woven textile in the widely-dispersed press photograph shows only design of three uprights connected by a horizontal band. 30/60 pic.twitter.com/NUOiLR6zbZ
— Stephennie Mulder (@stephenniem) October 16, 2017

"But reconstruction drawing by textile archaeologist Annika Larsson shows extensions on either side that include a ha.

But reconstruction drawing by @UU_University textile archaeologist Annika Larsson shows extensions on either side that include a ha. 32/60 pic.twitter.com/1NyQzcqDV2
— Stephennie Mulder (@stephenniem) October 16, 2017

"These extensions practically double width of band. Not mentioned in press accounts: Larsson’s extensions are entirely conjectural."

Responding to the dispute, Ms Larsson told The Independent: "These finds are with no doubt from the Viking Age. They are found in several of the Birka graves and Viking Age boatgraves north of Gamla Uppsala. The geometrical Kufi is also to be found in similar textile ribbons from Spain.

"Even if the characters should be interpereted as “Illah” it is still Kufic, and as I have understood from the arabic experts it still refers to 'Allah'."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 03881.html


My bold/underlined emphasis above.

I am glad that Mulder weighed in on this.

So it's not Muslims.

Then who is it?

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May be the square kufic was actually developed from the Viking runes and the muslims got their ideas of paradise from Viking Valhalla. :lol:

Or perhaps Vikings merged runes and kufic. Which is more likely and more easily adapted to decorate a textile. And may easily explain the spelling error.

So it goes.

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May be the square kufic was actually developed from the Viking runes and the muslims got their ideas of paradise from Viking Valhalla. :lol:

Or perhaps Vikings merged runes and kufic. Which is more likely and more easily adapted to decorate a textile. And may easily explain the spelling error.

So it goes.


Or maybe it was...... illegal aliens. ;-)

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nero wrote:
May be the square kufic was actually developed from the Viking runes and the muslims got their ideas of paradise from Viking Valhalla. :lol:

Or perhaps Vikings merged runes and kufic. Which is more likely and more easily adapted to decorate a textile. And may easily explain the spelling error.

So it goes.


Or maybe it was...... illegal aliens. ;-)

Ask the Anglo-Saxons about illegal immigrants, and Danegeld. ;)

But the textile in question needs to be carbon dated. And the decoration too.

So it goes.

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