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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:31 am 
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There comes a point where people don't really give a shit about social ostracism and the like.


"Nazis everywhere..."

In Sweden the political parties by large moved into a crowded middle ground with the most notable exception being the Sweden-Democrats - they stand for a nationalistic/national conservative/anti-EU/anti-immigration/somewhat Putin friendly politics. According to some they were anti-NATO too and longed for a 1980s type neutrality. Some say their internal vision was basically a rip off of something here known as the "concrete social democratic" view. This might have changed now.

The problem with this party is its racist origin. Most of the founders of the Sweden-Democrats were part of the 1980s group BSS (Bevara Sverige Svenskt, "Keep Sweden Swedish") - in Sweden, if you oppose immigration (sd) is your best bet but at some point I guess you're going to have to come to terms with the origin of this party....


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:33 am 
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1) maybe it's not such a good idea to let random people run the country's Twitter feed for a week....


Maybe not, IIRC the idea is that it will ensure that there is not one viewpoint but many...


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:44 am 
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2) perhaps the reason that people get such an impression of Sweden from people like Tim Pool reporting stuff is because the Swedish government does shit like this.


If I got it right Pool can't read the twitter feed of the creepiest country he ever went to. Guess they did him a favour. :lol:

I imagine Pool would not have known or bothered if Chang Frick hadn't given him a heads up. Does Frick benefit from this..., well... ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:59 am 
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chijohnaok wrote:
2) perhaps the reason that people get such an impression of Sweden from people like Tim Pool reporting stuff is because the Swedish government does shit like this.


If I got it right Pool can't read the twitter feed of the creepiest country he ever went to. Guess they did him a favour. :lol:

I imagine Pool would not have known or bothered if Chang Frick hadn't given him a heads up. Does Frick benefit from this..., well... ;)



I was speaking in more general terms about Pool; not necessarily about this one incident.

Does it really matter if Pool learned of it on his own or found out via a tip from someone?
I mean Chang Frick (or whomever) didn't make this up. He found out about it, informed Pool, and then Pool presumably investigated and confirmed the tip before posting a video about it.
Journalists get tips all the time; they can't be everywhere all the time. Its how journalism works.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Does it really matter if Pool learned of it on his own or found out via a tip from someone?


Does it matter to Pool if he can read som feel good PR about Sweden from random one week curators - probably not a whole lot...

Does it matter to Frick if Pool goes online and proclaims Sweden to be the creepiest country in the world - I'm guessing Frick is going to celebrate with a pizza and maybe some fine beer (if he hasn't already that is...)


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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wulfir wrote:
chijohnaok wrote:
Does it really matter if Pool learned of it on his own or found out via a tip from someone?


Does it matter to Pool if he can read som feel good PR about Sweden from random one week curators - probably not a whole lot...


Probably not. I can't speak for him, but what probably does interest him about it (and apparently many others) is that a Swedish government (or semi-governmental) agency created a black list

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Does it matter to Frick if Pool goes online and proclaims Sweden to be the creepiest country in the world - I'm guessing Frick is going to celebrate with a pizza and maybe some fine beer (if he hasn't already that is...)


I have no idea what Frick thinks (nor do I have a clue as to who he is).

People provide tips to journalists; journalists investigate the tips and then decide whether to publish a story on it.
That is what journalists do.

Yes, the tipster may have a bias one way or the other, but if the journalist does his job by properly investigating/confirming the facts before they report it, then it should make no difference if the tipster had a certain motivation or bias.

Is society harmed when facts are shown the light of day? (Transparency)
Or should the government be hiding (or suppressing) things that may be inconvenient or uncomfortable to some? (censorship)

Which society would you rather live in?

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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...but what probably does interest him about it (and apparently many others) is that a Swedish government (or semi-governmental) agency created a black list...


Ok. Not the first time though. A couple of years ago it was the Gypsy list...


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I have no idea what Frick thinks (nor do I have a clue as to who he is).


Remember the clip when Pool was escorted out of danger by a Swedish police van. Frick was the local contact for the trip to Rosengård. He is also a major figure (maybe the owner) of the Nyheter Idag - an online only news site with heavy focus on the problems with immigration, crimes comitted by immigrants, pro-Sweden Democrat articles and the odd other news. Scroll down a little bit on the site and there's still the old link to a Tim Pool video and the text in Swedish stating "Tim Pool: Do not trust Swedish media" - that is the media that does not go quite so heavy into the doom and gloom of immigration.

https://nyheteridag.se/


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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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wulfir wrote:
chijohnaok wrote:
...but what probably does interest him about it (and apparently many others) is that a Swedish government (or semi-governmental) agency created a black list...


Ok. Not the first time though. A couple of years ago it was the Gypsy list...


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I have no idea what Frick thinks (nor do I have a clue as to who he is).


Remember the clip when Pool was escorted out of danger by a Swedish police van. Frick was the local contact for the trip to Rosengård. He is also a major figure (maybe the owner) of the Nyheter Idag - an online only news site with heavy focus on the problems with immigration, crimes comitted by immigrants, pro-Sweden Democrat articles and the odd other news. Scroll down a little bit on the site and there's still the old link to a Tim Pool video and the text in Swedish stating "Tim Pool: Do not trust Swedish media" - that is the media that does not go quite so heavy into the doom and gloom of immigration.

https://nyheteridag.se/


I do remember that video.

OK, so the guy was his local contact.
Pool uses local contacts when he can. In fact, he is planning a trip to South Korea and recently asked in one of his videos if someone in South Korea would be willing to serve as a local contact. Pool explained that he (of course) is not familiar with the area and does not speak Korean so a local contact is a necessity. If he does not have a local contact then he will waste time wandering around, not knowing the best places to to go, etc.

So Frick may have a bias/have a website with a particular view of things.
If Pool is a good journalist then he should be able to identify if he is being handed a false story/image of things. Pool has said that he likes international stories and he likes to go to those places that he is doing a story so as to get a street level view of things. This of course is a different approach from a journalist who does international stories from the comfort of his/her desk in the newsroom. I appreciate Pool's method of doing this.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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wulfir wrote:
EUBanana wrote:
There comes a point where people don't really give a shit about social ostracism and the like.


"Nazis everywhere..."

In Sweden the political parties by large moved into a crowded middle ground with the most notable exception being the Sweden-Democrats - they stand for a nationalistic/national conservative/anti-EU/anti-immigration/somewhat Putin friendly politics. According to some they were anti-NATO too and longed for a 1980s type neutrality. Some say their internal vision was basically a rip off of something here known as the "concrete social democratic" view. This might have changed now.

The problem with this party is its racist origin. Most of the founders of the Sweden-Democrats were part of the 1980s group BSS (Bevara Sverige Svenskt, "Keep Sweden Swedish") - in Sweden, if you oppose immigration (sd) is your best bet but at some point I guess you're going to have to come to terms with the origin of this party....


Interesting . . . not to sound patronizing but . . . I often ponder that Euros seem to be rather "retarded" when it comes to things like plurality and the myriad dimensions of "social identity" (race, nationality, political affiliation).

"Keep Sweden Swedish," that doesn't sound the least bit "racist" or even necessarily exclusionary or elitist. Sweden is, after all, not a race (not that there actually ARE ANY actual 'races' . . . but anyway). Swedish/Sweden is also not exactly an "ethnicity," nor is it a religion, nor really anything other than:

1. A nation
2. A culture/language
3. (not sure, but possibly) a Worldview or "Way of Life"

"Keep Sweden Swedish" sounds a lot like "Save the Apache Language," or "Rights for First Peoples (of Canada)," or "Kalahari Freedom Movement (not sure the actual name, but it was an organization to prevent the destructive assimilation of the Khoisan speakers in the Kalahari region of Botswana . . .).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a cultural, linguistic, or national identity, just as there is nothing wrong with having particularly phenotypic features that someone might regard as markers of "race" or any other aspect of identity. It is also not wrong value the characteristics of that identity, solidarity among those who share it, and its preservation.

The main problem with "non-Swedes" I'd say is not that they have more melanin content or kinky dark hair, or grew up in a different culture/nation/language, and I doubt that very many "far right" Swedish political figures would argue as much. The problem is that people migrate to Sweden and then ghettoize themselves, and adamantly thwart their own assimilation into "Swedishness." Swedes and Sweden may in part be to blame.

I always considered it a sort of basic politeness: if you are going to go visit a strange foreign place, you follow that old adage "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Much more so if you are immigrating there.

I do not approve of many aspects of Muslim society, but if for some reason I found myself doing a project in Rijadh, I would respect the social mores and do my best to blend in and not make a fuss.

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 Post subject: Re: Welcome to Sweden
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Interesting . . . not to sound patronizing but . . . I often ponder that Euros seem to be rather "retarded" when it comes to things like plurality and the myriad dimensions of "social identity" (race, nationality, political affiliation).

"Keep Sweden Swedish," that doesn't sound the least bit "racist" or even necessarily exclusionary or elitist. Sweden is, after all, not a race (not that there actually ARE ANY actual 'races' . . . but anyway). Swedish/Sweden is also not exactly an "ethnicity," nor is it a religion, nor really anything other than:

1. A nation
2. A culture/language
3. (not sure, but possibly) a Worldview or "Way of Life"

"Keep Sweden Swedish" sounds a lot like "Save the Apache Language," or "Rights for First Peoples (of Canada)," or "Kalahari Freedom Movement (not sure the actual name, but it was an organization to prevent the destructive assimilation of the Khoisan speakers in the Kalahari region of Botswana . . .).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a cultural, linguistic, or national identity, just as there is nothing wrong with having particularly phenotypic features that someone might regard as markers of "race" or any other aspect of identity. It is also not wrong value the characteristics of that identity, solidarity among those who share it, and its preservation.

The main problem with "non-Swedes" I'd say is not that they have more melanin content or kinky dark hair, or grew up in a different culture/nation/language, and I doubt that very many "far right" Swedish political figures would argue as much. The problem is that people migrate to Sweden and then ghettoize themselves, and adamantly thwart their own assimilation into "Swedishness." Swedes and Sweden may in part be to blame.

I always considered it a sort of basic politeness: if you are going to go visit a strange foreign place, you follow that old adage "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Much more so if you are immigrating there.

I do not approve of many aspects of Muslim society, but if for some reason I found myself doing a project in Rijadh, I would respect the social mores and do my best to blend in and not make a fuss.


This is pretty much spot on what I think of the matter. It's OK for non-white cultures to say "keep China Chinese" or "keep Japan Japanese" it's perfectly fine but when it is used in West it's immediately "omg Nazis!11, we must immediately destroy every last vestige of Swedishness in order to prove how anti-Nazi we are!"

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