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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:17 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:30 am 
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This is an example of the "tolerance" of the left:

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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:13 pm 
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This is an example of the "tolerance" of the left:

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Ummm...is that sign mean to be ironic or did she take that sign from someone else??????

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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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I THINK that sign might have been shopped . . .

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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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Oh, right...the "killing all" might have been added. :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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And another person's free speech was shut down by those on the left (this time Mayor Duh blasio:


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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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I am copy/pasting this that appeared at Ace of Spades HQ:

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Friends, Morons, countrymen, lend me your ears. I come not to bury Gab, but to praise it. Not because I was an avid user, I wasn't, I gabbed maybe once or twice a month. For those of you who don't know, Gab is currently offline, and I don't know when or if it will be back. They say they are currently trying to use blockchain technology to make themselves impervious to deplatforning efforts, we'll see if they can pull it off. If you want the full story of what happened to Gab, this video is pretty thorough:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9gS8kKxbLng

In any event, Gab itself is simply a small canary in a coal mine full of toxic gas. It's a symptom of a larger disease, progressivism, which, since it has (temporarily?) been hip checked into the boards in its nonstop quest for power politically, is now seeking other means to bend the populace to its will. Since the 2016 elections derailed their ultimate triumph politically, they have turned their attentions to other methods while they regrouped politically. Since Silicon Valley is overwhelmingly progressive, and since progressives are quite comfortable with censorship, historically it's one of their go-to methods of thought control, they figured that if they couldn't win yet at they ballot box, that they would shut up anyone who didn't agree with them. That way nobody would be exposed to counter arguments, and they would win the war by default. Remember Alex Jones? Sure, a buffoon, a grifter a con man. He was all of those things. So he was kicked off of all mainstream social media simultaneously. “So what?” said Conservative, INC. “He's a grifter, a con man and a buffoon. Good riddance”. Those of us with a bit more savvy warned that he was just the opening salvo, even though nobody I know didn't think the exact same thing about Jones. Now Gab. “Neo-Nazis were talking on Gab” piped up Con Inc. “The synagogue shooter used it as a platform for hate. Who cares?”. True, but that's not unique to Gab. There have been Facebook live streams of actual murders for God's sake, and nobody blames Facebook for the acts of evil men. LifeSite News has also been deplatformed. They're a pro-life website, nobody was threatening anybody on their site, but since the progressive platform worships at the blood-stained altar of baby dismemberment, dissenting voices had to go. How much longer until you come to Ace.mu.nu only to be greeted by:

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So I praise Gab not for what it was, but for what it represented: a place for alternative voices. And if some of those voices were vile, or hateful or mean, well, so what? That's free speech. Free speech is HARD. It's also often ugly and volatile. That's what makes it so valuable. Unfortunately, most people don't really want free speech. Oh, they think they do, and they most especially want their speech to be free, but they are scared of actual free speech. Free speech means that you get the KKK pining for Jim Crow and the Black Panthers crying for white genocide. You get Birchers, Occupy, and BLM. You get the Islamist chanting death to America and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Free speech means that you have to be OK with all of that, and while Gab does give you the tools to block or ignore the parts of the melee that you don't want to hear, for most folks that's not good enough. The fact that such abhorrent speech exists at all is more than they can bear. Again, free speech is HARD. Free speech requires one to be at least exposed to ideas they find offensive, and implies a duty to challenge these ideas. Most people don't actually want free speech. They want THEIR echo chamber. Which is.....a damn shame, actually. I've found this to be true on the right as well as the left, it's a human constant. That does not make it a good one.

One final thing, for the 1st Amendment purists out there. This is not a 1st Amendment issue, and I never said it was. The government is not silencing anyone. But for "free speech" to be a viable concept, it MUST include the expectation that private platforms for speech must not-baring illegal things-censor any speech. Period. Due to corporate consolidation, a relatively small number of corporations find themselves in the position of being able to censor speech they don't like. I'm not referring to Fb or Twitter. I'm referring to the hosting companies. There's a couple big ones, and I believe even the little guys buy space from them, so they can determine what gets throttled. If they say NO and put pressure on smaller hosts to follow their lead, Poof! No Gab, regardless of whether Gab is legal, or solvent or even how popular it is or isn't. And some "free speechers" shrug and say "private company, not a free speech issue", but it is. Just like some areas are looking at bypassing the 2nd Amendment by banning ammo and claiming "We're not violating the 2nd A, you can have all the guns you want". It's a workaround. If private entities control all of the public outlets for speech, then they should be required to allow all of it which isn't illegal or promoting illegal acts. It's not a 1st Amendment issue, but due to technology, it's a flaw that needs to be corrected (if you know me you'll know how rarely I ever say this) legislatively.

Related: Search the hashtag #WSJKillsKids on Twitter to find out how a Wall Street Journal reporter convinced YouTube to cancel a fundraiser run by a free speech account*. YouTube did, and returned all of the pledged money-money that was earmarked for St. Jude's Children's Hospital.

*Disclaimer: I do not know the account in question, but it was referenced by several people as "allowing many different views on their videos", which sounds like free speech to me.

My, how I do go on. ONTs are supposed to be fill of silly stuff and interesting links. Sorry, my bad. I tripped and landed on this soap box somehow. I'll climb down.


The above piece is well written IMHO, and covers the issue that we are facing: the deplatforming (aka silencing) of people’s speech.

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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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Seems to me the obvious campaign to silence Milo is a sign of weakness. A gay conservative is very dangerous...as is a black conservative.

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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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jack t ripper wrote:
Seems to me the obvious campaign to silence Milo is a sign of weakness. A gay conservative is very dangerous...as is a black conservative.


It is a reflection of the weakness of their argument.

Unfortunately, when the friends/supporters of the progressives control the technology platforms and have the ability to *lean on* the handful of other service providers that firms like Gab must rely on, then they can silence you through the backdoor of denying you service.

You can have a weak argument, but if those that may potentially oppose you are denied a place at the speaker's platform, then a weak argument will carry the day, because they will be the only voice heard in the room.

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