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Another Beeb interviewer, we'll just call him "But Charlottesville!", gets unloaded on regarding their Fake News' "Racist Nazis Everywhere" bullshit. :lol:



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Another Beeb interviewer, we'll just call him "But Charlottesville!", gets unloaded on regarding their Fake News' "Racist Nazis Everywhere" bullshit. :lol:




I wonder if the BBC actually ended up putting any of that interview on the air?

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When communists are unable to respond to legitimate points they just resort to loudly chanting stale slogans.

PS
That chick in the above video made an appearance in another video taken later that same day:



:lol:

Who is this woman?
Sunsara Taylor is a Maoist, and a leader in several groups, including the Revolutionary Communist Party USA.

What sort of stuff does she say/believe?

In a 2006 article for the group titled "Comparing Bush to Hitler: Lessons for Today" she declared that the presidency of George W. Bush was "fascistic" and called for Bush to be "driven from office"

What does she say now?
"Stop Trump/Pence Fascism"
In an interview with KPFK she called for Donald Trump to be "driven from office"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunsara_T ... se_Fascism

I hope that she is just as successful in driving Donald Trump from office as she was in driving George W. Bush from office after serving 2 terms :lol:

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Angry student steals MAGA hat, demands victim be punished

Anthony Gockowski
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on Sep 28, 2017 at 2:26 PM EDT


An enraged University of California, Riverside stole a classmate's "Make America Great Again" hat, proclaiming that it "represents genocide."
The thief even prevailed upon administrators to prohibit the victim from wearing the hat on campus, becoming even more apoplectic when the property was returned.\\

A Trump-supporting student at the University of California, Riverside had his MAGA hat stolen by a peer who demanded that administrators refuse to allow him to continue to wear it.

A video of the incident obtained by Campus Reform shows an enraged female student taking the hat to the school’s Student Life Department as Matthew Vitale fruitlessly attempts to explain to the young woman that the hat is his property.

"Your f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy." Tweet This

“So this guy thought it would be a good idea to go into a conference wearing this f***ing hat,” the student who stole the hat states. “Look at the kind of sh*t he’s wearing, You know what this represents? This represents genocide—genocide of a bunch of people.”

Vitale then tries to explain that “you do not get to take other people’s property that is legally theirs in this country,” to which the unidentified thief replies, “man, f*** your laws.”

“Do you have any f***ing conscience?” she goes on to ask, questioning why Vitale would dare to wear a MAGA hat on campus and telling him that his “f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy.”



“I swear to God I could burn this sh*t. I swear to God I could burn this sh*t,” she continues as several staffers look on.

“Are you people not going to do anything? She is stealing my property,” Vitale pleads, though the altercation went on for several more minutes.

“We will need to return his property to him, but we can talk about…” one university employee begins to explain before being abruptly cut off by the student thief.

“How about we talk about not letting him wear this sh*t on campus?” the thief retorts, while Vitale later tells a growing presence of administrators that “the fact that you people haven’t gotten this back for me is sad and wrong.”

“That’s full of sh*t, because you all are just going to, like, mediate this and make it so like we’re all ok here, freedom of speech, whatever. How about we think about what’s actually going on in this country?” the thief subsequently responds to requests from administrators to “calm down.”

The altercation continued for several minutes until the hat was relinquished to an administrator who then returned it to Vitale, though not before his fellow student got in the last word.

“F*** your f***ing freedom of speech, boy. F***it. F*** it because your freedom of speech is literally killing a lot of people out there. That’s what it is, because you’re out there wearing hats like these that promote laws and legislations that literally kill and murder in the masses people of color,” she stated, before the two eventually walked off with separate mediators.

UPDATE: “The unfortunate incident that was recorded and shared on social media does not conform to UCR’s Principles of Community," Director of News and Information JD Warren told Campus Reform. "Federal privacy laws prevent the university from commenting on student conduct matters but UC Riverside stands by its deep commitment to freedom of expression, civil discourse, and respectful interactions within our community.”



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The University of Wisconsin system’s Board of Regents will vote Friday on a “Freedom of Expression” policy that would punish those who deliberately disrupt others’ right to speak.
The provision is among the more controversial elements of model legislation crafted by the Goldwater Institute, and is intended to eliminate the so-called "heckler's veto" that is frequently used to silence conservatives.

The University of Wisconsin system’s Board of Regents will vote Friday on a “Freedom of Expression” policy that would punish those who deliberately disrupt others’ right to speak.

The proposed policy, titled “Commitment to Academic Freedom and Freedom of Expression,” includes a statement that reaffirms UW’s commitment to freedom of expression, along with several other provisions contained in model free speech legislation crafted by the Goldwater Institute.

"Concerns about civility...can never be used as justification for closing off discussion of ideas." Tweet This

Also consistent with the Goldwater model is an element designed to eliminate the so-called “heckler's veto” by punishing students who prevent others from expressing their opinions, as well as a requirement that all UW institutions address issues regarding freedom of expression during student orientation.

“[I]t is not the proper role of the university to attempt to shield individuals from ideas and opinions they, or others, find unwelcome, disagreeable, or even deeply offensive,” the proposal states. “Although the university greatly values civility, concerns about civility and mutual respect can never be used as justification for closing off discussion of ideas, however offensive or disagreeable those ideas may be to some members within the university community.”

Under the policy, the second time that a student “is alleged to have engaged in violent or other disorderly misconduct that materially and substantially disrupted the free expression of others,” the student will be subject to a formal investigation and a disciplinary hearing.

Students who are twice found responsible for substantially disrupting others’ right to speak would be subject to a minimum one-semester suspension, and a third violation could result in outright expulsion.


Faculty members and staff who disrupt the free speech of others on campus, however, would enjoy employment protections outlined in university policy and state law, according to The Cap Times.

The policy also explicitly states that the campus community cannot “obstruct or otherwise interfere with the freedom of others, including speakers who are invited to campus, to express views they reject or even loathe.”

Several members of the school’s Young Americans for Liberty chapter were even given input on the proposal.

“After the Shapiro event and other happenings on campus, we were scared about the Heckler's Veto becoming a permanent strategy for the left in silencing groups with opinions outside their point of view,” YAL President Tyler Brandt told Campus Reform.

“I feel that it is appropriate to punish those who deliberately try to stop someone's freedom of expression,” he added. “This is an act of hostility to open discourse, one of the most important principles of a liberal democracy. With no action being taken against these ne'er-do-wells, they continue to use the Hecklers Veto as a prominent strategy.”

UW-Madison College Republicans President Jake Lubenow told Campus Reform that he thinks that this proposal is a step in the right direction.

“We’ve seen problems across the country with campuses disrespecting the right to speak, especially for conservative students,” Lubenow said. “We haven’t been immune to that in Wisconsin and we’re excited that both the Assembly and the regents are pursuing action to make sure that right applies to everyone.”

When asked if he thinks it is appropriate to punish someone who disrupts another person's right to speak, Lubenow replied, “absolutely.”

“Prohibiting speech is counter to the Wisconsin idea of sifting and winnowing and these punishments should ensure that both the speaker and protester have the ability to voice their opinion,” he elaborated. “Disrupting that should certainly have ramifications and this policy goes a long way in doing that.”

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I'm actually somewhat surprised that the University of Wisconsin of all places is seeking to put such a policy in place.

Perhaps there is hope after all?

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Angry student steals MAGA hat, demands victim be punished

Anthony Gockowski
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on Sep 28, 2017 at 2:26 PM EDT


An enraged University of California, Riverside stole a classmate's "Make America Great Again" hat, proclaiming that it "represents genocide."
The thief even prevailed upon administrators to prohibit the victim from wearing the hat on campus, becoming even more apoplectic when the property was returned.\\

A Trump-supporting student at the University of California, Riverside had his MAGA hat stolen by a peer who demanded that administrators refuse to allow him to continue to wear it.

A video of the incident obtained by Campus Reform shows an enraged female student taking the hat to the school’s Student Life Department as Matthew Vitale fruitlessly attempts to explain to the young woman that the hat is his property.

"Your f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy." Tweet This

“So this guy thought it would be a good idea to go into a conference wearing this f***ing hat,” the student who stole the hat states. “Look at the kind of sh*t he’s wearing, You know what this represents? This represents genocide—genocide of a bunch of people.”

Vitale then tries to explain that “you do not get to take other people’s property that is legally theirs in this country,” to which the unidentified thief replies, “man, f*** your laws.”

“Do you have any f***ing conscience?” she goes on to ask, questioning why Vitale would dare to wear a MAGA hat on campus and telling him that his “f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy.”



“I swear to God I could burn this sh*t. I swear to God I could burn this sh*t,” she continues as several staffers look on.

“Are you people not going to do anything? She is stealing my property,” Vitale pleads, though the altercation went on for several more minutes.

“We will need to return his property to him, but we can talk about…” one university employee begins to explain before being abruptly cut off by the student thief.

“How about we talk about not letting him wear this sh*t on campus?” the thief retorts, while Vitale later tells a growing presence of administrators that “the fact that you people haven’t gotten this back for me is sad and wrong.”

“That’s full of sh*t, because you all are just going to, like, mediate this and make it so like we’re all ok here, freedom of speech, whatever. How about we think about what’s actually going on in this country?” the thief subsequently responds to requests from administrators to “calm down.”

The altercation continued for several minutes until the hat was relinquished to an administrator who then returned it to Vitale, though not before his fellow student got in the last word.

“F*** your f***ing freedom of speech, boy. F***it. F*** it because your freedom of speech is literally killing a lot of people out there. That’s what it is, because you’re out there wearing hats like these that promote laws and legislations that literally kill and murder in the masses people of color,” she stated, before the two eventually walked off with separate mediators.

UPDATE: “The unfortunate incident that was recorded and shared on social media does not conform to UCR’s Principles of Community," Director of News and Information JD Warren told Campus Reform. "Federal privacy laws prevent the university from commenting on student conduct matters but UC Riverside stands by its deep commitment to freedom of expression, civil discourse, and respectful interactions within our community.”



Follow the author of this article on Twitter: @AGockowski


This little snowflake will be in for a rude awakening when she eventually leaves the cocoon of that college campus.





A perfect example of the brainwashing going on in select areas.

The weak-minded being programmed like robots. :roll:

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Angry student steals MAGA hat, demands victim be punished

Anthony Gockowski
Investigative Reporter
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on Sep 28, 2017 at 2:26 PM EDT


An enraged University of California, Riverside stole a classmate's "Make America Great Again" hat, proclaiming that it "represents genocide."
The thief even prevailed upon administrators to prohibit the victim from wearing the hat on campus, becoming even more apoplectic when the property was returned.\\

A Trump-supporting student at the University of California, Riverside had his MAGA hat stolen by a peer who demanded that administrators refuse to allow him to continue to wear it.

A video of the incident obtained by Campus Reform shows an enraged female student taking the hat to the school’s Student Life Department as Matthew Vitale fruitlessly attempts to explain to the young woman that the hat is his property.

"Your f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy." Tweet This

“So this guy thought it would be a good idea to go into a conference wearing this f***ing hat,” the student who stole the hat states. “Look at the kind of sh*t he’s wearing, You know what this represents? This represents genocide—genocide of a bunch of people.”

Vitale then tries to explain that “you do not get to take other people’s property that is legally theirs in this country,” to which the unidentified thief replies, “man, f*** your laws.”

“Do you have any f***ing conscience?” she goes on to ask, questioning why Vitale would dare to wear a MAGA hat on campus and telling him that his “f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy.”



“I swear to God I could burn this sh*t. I swear to God I could burn this sh*t,” she continues as several staffers look on.

“Are you people not going to do anything? She is stealing my property,” Vitale pleads, though the altercation went on for several more minutes.

“We will need to return his property to him, but we can talk about…” one university employee begins to explain before being abruptly cut off by the student thief.

“How about we talk about not letting him wear this sh*t on campus?” the thief retorts, while Vitale later tells a growing presence of administrators that “the fact that you people haven’t gotten this back for me is sad and wrong.”

“That’s full of sh*t, because you all are just going to, like, mediate this and make it so like we’re all ok here, freedom of speech, whatever. How about we think about what’s actually going on in this country?” the thief subsequently responds to requests from administrators to “calm down.”

The altercation continued for several minutes until the hat was relinquished to an administrator who then returned it to Vitale, though not before his fellow student got in the last word.

“F*** your f***ing freedom of speech, boy. F***it. F*** it because your freedom of speech is literally killing a lot of people out there. That’s what it is, because you’re out there wearing hats like these that promote laws and legislations that literally kill and murder in the masses people of color,” she stated, before the two eventually walked off with separate mediators.

UPDATE: “The unfortunate incident that was recorded and shared on social media does not conform to UCR’s Principles of Community," Director of News and Information JD Warren told Campus Reform. "Federal privacy laws prevent the university from commenting on student conduct matters but UC Riverside stands by its deep commitment to freedom of expression, civil discourse, and respectful interactions within our community.”



Follow the author of this article on Twitter: @AGockowski


This little snowflake will be in for a rude awakening when she eventually leaves the cocoon of that college campus.



An update to this:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/37480/

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Student whose MAGA hat stolen presses charges; thief’s peers demand school protect her, pay her rent

JENNIFER KABBANY - FIX EDITOR •OCTOBER 4, 2017

UC Riverside student Matthew Vitale, who had his Make America Great Again hat taken from him by a fellow student, has decided to press criminal theft charges against her, he told The College Fix in an interview Monday.

Meanwhile, peers of the young Latina woman who swiped the hat, Edith Macias, have rallied to her defense, demanding the university protect her from any charges and even pay her rent in a “solidarity” document released Oct. 1.

At issue is an incident last week in which Macias took the bright red MAGA hat right off Vitale’s head during a campus event, an incident that was recorded.

That video was posted on Facebook by Macias, who states in her post: “‘Make America Great Again’ coded ‘Continue the Genocide of POC’. You feel safe cuz you got the cops and politicians on your side. Youre not safe… just saying. We need to make racists scared.”

Vitale ran after her, demanding his hat back, another incident that was recorded. In this case, Vitale was behind the camera as he exchanged words with Macias. She took the hat to the student life office and demand he not be allowed to wear it. That nine-minute video was viewed some 4.5 million times before it mysteriously disappeared off Facebook, Vitale said. (He has since reposted it).

Vitale told The College Fix that at first he declined to press charges because he was told it was only a misdemeanor and he did not want to burden the courts with a minor infraction.

But the “#Snatch a hat” video posted to Macias’ Facebook page, which films her grabbing his hat off his head, shows she took it off his person. That rises to the level of a felony theft charge, he said he was told by campus police.

With that, Vitale said he decided to take a stand.

“I do want to send a message,” Vitale said. “I am not vindictive, I am not vengeful, but people especially in my generation need to realize you can’t do things like this because you don’t like what someone is saying or wearing.”

“Free speech is under attack on campus,” added Vitale, a leader within the school’s College Republicans. “As cliche as it sounds, the facts of our laws and our Constitution … don’t care about what you feel. For millennials everywhere who believe their feelings give them the right to step on the rights of others — you are sadly misguided. That is not the real world.”

A UC Riverside spokesman did not respond to a request for comment from The College Fix on Monday about the status of the police investigation or the solidarity statement, which called the MAGA hat “a symbol that has come to be associated with a violently anti-immigrant, white supremacist regime.”

The “Statement of Solidarity with Edith Macias” circulating within the campus community states in part that UC administration should “pay for alternate housing accommodations for Macias and their family while simultaneously covering their current housing costs in order to keep them safe from threats of harm.”

The demand cites Vitale’s viral video, saying Macias has been doxxed and threatened as a result. It also calls for administrators to “grant Macias amnesty and protection from any student or legal charges.”

It also seeks a statement against “white supremacist violence” and one in support of sanctuary campuses from campus leaders.

After Vitale’s video went viral, drawing the nation’s attention to the incident at the public university in Southern California, campus leaders sent an email that weighed in on the issue without mentioning it specifically.

“Coequal to our dedication to mutual respect is our commitment to free speech and the free exchange of ideas,” the message stated. “A university requires an environment where students and scholars can freely express ideas and pursue knowledge, while also promoting respectful dialogue among individuals or groups with opposing viewpoints.”

Vitale, 20, an economics major set to graduate next year, said he was a little disappointed with the statement.

“UCR affirms its dedication to free speech, but [adds] free speech has to come under our shared values of mutual respect, which is not freedom of speech,” Vitale said. “The whole point of freedom of speech is to ensure the right to say things reprehensible or mean.”

“I don’t think the MAGA hat is any of those things,” he said. “… But if we don’t protect controversial speech, that is the moment when we lose our liberty.”

MORE: VIDEO — Student swipes peer’s MAGA hat, says ‘f*ck your freedom of speech, boy’


A local news video on the incident:



She even made a threat to him.
Hope that the University take that into account.

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Angry student steals MAGA hat, demands victim be punished

Anthony Gockowski
Investigative Reporter
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on Sep 28, 2017 at 2:26 PM EDT


An enraged University of California, Riverside stole a classmate's "Make America Great Again" hat, proclaiming that it "represents genocide."
The thief even prevailed upon administrators to prohibit the victim from wearing the hat on campus, becoming even more apoplectic when the property was returned.\\

A Trump-supporting student at the University of California, Riverside had his MAGA hat stolen by a peer who demanded that administrators refuse to allow him to continue to wear it.

A video of the incident obtained by Campus Reform shows an enraged female student taking the hat to the school’s Student Life Department as Matthew Vitale fruitlessly attempts to explain to the young woman that the hat is his property.

"Your f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy." Tweet This

“So this guy thought it would be a good idea to go into a conference wearing this f***ing hat,” the student who stole the hat states. “Look at the kind of sh*t he’s wearing, You know what this represents? This represents genocide—genocide of a bunch of people.”

Vitale then tries to explain that “you do not get to take other people’s property that is legally theirs in this country,” to which the unidentified thief replies, “man, f*** your laws.”

“Do you have any f***ing conscience?” she goes on to ask, questioning why Vitale would dare to wear a MAGA hat on campus and telling him that his “f***ing freedom of speech is genocide, homeboy.”



“I swear to God I could burn this sh*t. I swear to God I could burn this sh*t,” she continues as several staffers look on.

“Are you people not going to do anything? She is stealing my property,” Vitale pleads, though the altercation went on for several more minutes.

“We will need to return his property to him, but we can talk about…” one university employee begins to explain before being abruptly cut off by the student thief.

“How about we talk about not letting him wear this sh*t on campus?” the thief retorts, while Vitale later tells a growing presence of administrators that “the fact that you people haven’t gotten this back for me is sad and wrong.”

“That’s full of sh*t, because you all are just going to, like, mediate this and make it so like we’re all ok here, freedom of speech, whatever. How about we think about what’s actually going on in this country?” the thief subsequently responds to requests from administrators to “calm down.”

The altercation continued for several minutes until the hat was relinquished to an administrator who then returned it to Vitale, though not before his fellow student got in the last word.

“F*** your f***ing freedom of speech, boy. F***it. F*** it because your freedom of speech is literally killing a lot of people out there. That’s what it is, because you’re out there wearing hats like these that promote laws and legislations that literally kill and murder in the masses people of color,” she stated, before the two eventually walked off with separate mediators.

UPDATE: “The unfortunate incident that was recorded and shared on social media does not conform to UCR’s Principles of Community," Director of News and Information JD Warren told Campus Reform. "Federal privacy laws prevent the university from commenting on student conduct matters but UC Riverside stands by its deep commitment to freedom of expression, civil discourse, and respectful interactions within our community.”



Follow the author of this article on Twitter: @AGockowski


This little snowflake will be in for a rude awakening when she eventually leaves the cocoon of that college campus.


An update to this story:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/39207/

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Student who stole MAGA hat faces up to one year in jail after DA files charge


JENNIFER KABBANY - FIX EDITOR •NOVEMBER 21, 2017

A UC Riverside student who stole a peer’s Make America Great Again hat off his head and refused to give it back now faces steep legal consequences.

A criminal complaint provided to The College Fix by the Riverside County District Attorney’s Office states that Edith Macias has been charged with one misdemeanor count of grand theft for the September 27 incident.


The next court date on the matter is slated for March, and the maximum penalty Macias faces if convicted as currently charged is one year in county jail, a spokesman for the DA’s office told The Fix.

The charge was filed after UC Riverside student Matthew Vitale, the student who had his Make America Great Again hat stolen from off his head, decided to press criminal theft charges against Macias.

According to the declaration in support of an arrest warrant, Macias told the officer who responded to the incident that the reason she swiped the hat was because it represented “genocide of a bunch of people.”

“She stated she wanted to burn the hat because of what it represented,” it states.

In a now-viral video of the incident, Macias stormed into a student services office with the hat and declared: “UCR is letting people wear this shit on campus? Make American Great Again, really? There were lynchings and genocide and mass deportations. … I fucking hate this country. … And I am not leaving. … We need to get rid of all ya’ll.”

After Vitale demanded his hat back she replied: “Fuck your freedom of speech boy, your freedom of speech is literally killing a lot of people out there, your hats like these that promote laws and legislation that literally kill and murder people of color,” she continued.

In a statement to The College Fix on Monday, Vitale said he is gratified by the developments.

“I’m very pleased that the DA decided to charge her, especially because I am skeptical that UCR student conduct did anything. I will be following up with the student conduct office to determine if anything was done,” Vitale said.

“In the meantime, I can’t thank UCPD enough for actually taking this matter seriously. The detective and officers involved with this case were the epitome of professionalism,” he added. “If, as I suspect, UCR decided not to discipline her in some way this decision by the DA’s office shows two things: First, that UCR does not protect and shows no respect for speech that does not conform to their ideology. Second, that in this case UCR chose not to discipline a person who committed a crime on campus against another student.”

A video of Macias grabbing the hat off Vitale’s head was posted on Facebook by Macias, who stated in her self-titled “#Snatchahat” post: “‘Make America Great Again’ coded ‘Continue the Genocide of POC’. You feel safe cuz you got the cops and politicians on your side. Youre not safe… just saying. We need to make racists scared.” (The video has since been taken down.)

After Vitale had requested charges be brought against Macias, he explained his motives to The College Fix: “I do want to send a message. I am not vindictive, I am not vengeful, but people especially in my generation need to realize you can’t do things like this because you don’t like what someone is saying or wearing.”

Editor’s note: The charge is a violation of penal code section 487 subdivision c.



I hope that the offender does not end up with any jail time.

I do think that there are some appropriate punishments that would make her re-evaluate her opinion on this country and maybe point her into (eventually) become a productive member of society.
Maybe doing 50 or 100 hours of community service in a VA hospital....or something along those lines.

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 Post subject: Re: Tolerance and free speech
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... I do think that there are some appropriate punishments ...


I vote for beheading ... with head displayed on a spike ...

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