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OPINION | KATIE PAVLICH

Katie Pavlich: America is not racist

By Katie Pavlich - 06/29/15 05:00 PM EDT
In wake of the Charleston massacre in South Carolina, many on the left want us to believe America is a racist nation dominated by white supremacy and hatred for blacks.

They’re wrong.

“Racism, we are not cured of it. And it’s not just a matter of it not being polite to say n----- in public,” President Obama said in a recent interview with Marc Maron on his “WTF” podcast. “That’s not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It’s not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies don’t, overnight, completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior.”

Obama added racism is “a long shadow and that’s still part of our DNA that’s passed on.”

“The focus has been on forgiveness and the evocation has been of Christ of the cross forgiving,” Dartmouth Professor Susannah Heschel said during a recent segment on MSNBC. “I would like to know if the white churches in this country are hanging their heads in shame today. But you know the shame isn’t enough because they can’t repent without restitution. When are we going to have reparation for slavery, for Jim Crow, for the new Jim Crow? Unless you give back, there is no forgiveness for you. The repentance cannot even begin without the restitution.”

It’s interesting how those on the left, in this case Obama and Heschel, make broad, general statements about how far we have to go on race issues but don’t give specifics about what’s left to fix. What do white churches have to do with the Charleston killer? They’ve offered support and unity. Is that something they should hang their heads over? The answer is no. And despite what Obama says, racism is not passed along in DNA through the generations. If that were the case, America wouldn’t be the tolerant, multi-racial country it is today.
Yes, America, like the vast majority of the rest of the world, at one time participated in slavery. While the sin of slavery is not justified, it is important to acknowledge that the sin of slavery isn’t a uniquely American sin, but rather one of mankind throughout the course of history. Further, owning slaves is not a sin unique to white people; in fact, black Africans sold other blacks into slavery (and still do today). Slavery is uniquely human, but societies and countries that respect human dignity, like America, have stopped the horrifying practice.

America had the dignity to end slavery through a civil war and has since moved forward to correct wrongs with the civil rights movement, affirmative action, legislation, pop culture and much more. Institutional racism is no longer prevalent in the ways the left claims. Obama, elected twice by American voters, is black, as is former Attorney General Eric Holder and current Attorney General Loretta Lynch. There are a number of blacks serving in the U.S. Congress, including Republican Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) and Congresswoman Mia Love (Utah). The likes of Oprah Winfrey and Beyoncé are business and pop culture icons.

Look around the world and you’ll find that America is the most tolerant and open society on earth. The World Values Survey shows India, not the United States, is in fact the most racist country with a class system. The same survey has shown for years that Americans are among the least racist in the world and therefore are the most tolerant.

Do racists exist in this country? Of course they do. Is their racism sanctioned by the government and celebrated by fellow citizens? Absolutely not. In fact, the Charleston shooter (who I refuse to name) told friends he felt isolated and alone in his evil, racist views. That’s a silver lining. As a society we have corrected many of the wrongs of slavery and racism, the individuals who have not corrected their racist views are an innumerable minority roundly and strongly condemned by the rest of society.

The Charleston shooter’s feelings about race are the exception, not the rule, in this country. This is demonstrated by the response in Charleston of blacks and whites holding hands and coming together, not apart, to honor the memory of those who were killed.

America isn’t a racist country, not even close, and it certainly isn’t a “white supremacist” society. The left falsely saying so promotes not progress but division. American history includes slavery and racism, but its current status and future as a whole does not.

The people who lost loved ones at Emanuel AME Church have forgiven their killer. It’s time the left does the same with America for her long past sins.

Pavlich is editor for Townhall.com and a Fox News contributor.


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As long as we identify people by "race" we are in fact a "racist" country.

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OPINION | KATIE PAVLICH

Katie Pavlich: America is not racist

By Katie Pavlich - 06/29/15 05:00 PM EDT
In wake of the Charleston massacre in South Carolina, many on the left want us to believe America is a racist nation dominated by white supremacy and hatred for blacks.

They’re wrong.

“Racism, we are not cured of it. And it’s not just a matter of it not being polite to say n----- in public,” President Obama said in a recent interview with Marc Maron on his “WTF” podcast. “That’s not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It’s not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies don’t, overnight, completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior.”

Obama added racism is “a long shadow and that’s still part of our DNA that’s passed on.”

“The focus has been on forgiveness and the evocation has been of Christ of the cross forgiving,” Dartmouth Professor Susannah Heschel said during a recent segment on MSNBC. “I would like to know if the white churches in this country are hanging their heads in shame today. But you know the shame isn’t enough because they can’t repent without restitution. When are we going to have reparation for slavery, for Jim Crow, for the new Jim Crow? Unless you give back, there is no forgiveness for you. The repentance cannot even begin without the restitution.”

It’s interesting how those on the left, in this case Obama and Heschel, make broad, general statements about how far we have to go on race issues but don’t give specifics about what’s left to fix. What do white churches have to do with the Charleston killer? They’ve offered support and unity. Is that something they should hang their heads over? The answer is no. And despite what Obama says, racism is not passed along in DNA through the generations. If that were the case, America wouldn’t be the tolerant, multi-racial country it is today.
Yes, America, like the vast majority of the rest of the world, at one time participated in slavery. While the sin of slavery is not justified, it is important to acknowledge that the sin of slavery isn’t a uniquely American sin, but rather one of mankind throughout the course of history. Further, owning slaves is not a sin unique to white people; in fact, black Africans sold other blacks into slavery (and still do today). Slavery is uniquely human, but societies and countries that respect human dignity, like America, have stopped the horrifying practice.

America had the dignity to end slavery through a civil war and has since moved forward to correct wrongs with the civil rights movement, affirmative action, legislation, pop culture and much more. Institutional racism is no longer prevalent in the ways the left claims. Obama, elected twice by American voters, is black, as is former Attorney General Eric Holder and current Attorney General Loretta Lynch. There are a number of blacks serving in the U.S. Congress, including Republican Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) and Congresswoman Mia Love (Utah). The likes of Oprah Winfrey and Beyoncé are business and pop culture icons.

Look around the world and you’ll find that America is the most tolerant and open society on earth. The World Values Survey shows India, not the United States, is in fact the most racist country with a class system. The same survey has shown for years that Americans are among the least racist in the world and therefore are the most tolerant.

Do racists exist in this country? Of course they do. Is their racism sanctioned by the government and celebrated by fellow citizens? Absolutely not. In fact, the Charleston shooter (who I refuse to name) told friends he felt isolated and alone in his evil, racist views. That’s a silver lining. As a society we have corrected many of the wrongs of slavery and racism, the individuals who have not corrected their racist views are an innumerable minority roundly and strongly condemned by the rest of society.

The Charleston shooter’s feelings about race are the exception, not the rule, in this country. This is demonstrated by the response in Charleston of blacks and whites holding hands and coming together, not apart, to honor the memory of those who were killed.

America isn’t a racist country, not even close, and it certainly isn’t a “white supremacist” society. The left falsely saying so promotes not progress but division. American history includes slavery and racism, but its current status and future as a whole does not.

The people who lost loved ones at Emanuel AME Church have forgiven their killer. It’s time the left does the same with America for her long past sins.

Pavlich is editor for Townhall.com and a Fox News contributor.






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Regarding "reparations" for slavery, which is perhaps the most idiotic argument ever advanced by a human being, I would say Michelle spent them in Mallorca. In 1865 it may have made sense but the South was ruined.

Short of that you would have to ask who is to pay?

US government? They spent nearly $1T in current dollars and 300,000+ lives and the life of the President Lincoln to end slavery. Not to mention the trillions spent to "end poverty".

White folk? Isn't that group punishment? Surely you would have to excuse descendants of union soldiers? Those who arrived after the war.

Well, how about the descendants of slave owners...like Obama?

Ironically, Obama would be solidly in the payor category because he is not the descendant of slaves.

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‘Supremacist’ Earl Holt III and his donations to Republicans
By Lindsey Bever June 23

Earl P. Holt III, shown in 1990, is a Texan who now heads a white supremacist group cited in an online manifesto purportedly written by the suspect in the Charleston church killings. (St. Louis Post Dispatch via AP)

One night in November 2003, a man named Earl Holt reportedly typed his own name into an Internet search engine and got back a blog post calling him a white supremacist.

At the time, Holt was a high-ranking member in the Council of Conservative Citizens, deemed a “supremacist group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which claims it was the “reincarnation” of the White Citizens’ Councils that fought desegregation during the civil rights movement. Holt also wrote for the group’s racially charged tabloid, Citizens Informer, and co-hosted a radio talk show with the group’s founder, Gordon Baum.

Still, he reportedly disagreed with the blogger’s claim and, according to the blogger, sent an e-mail in response.

“Hey Commie,” the note started, “Being the shallow, n—– -loving dilettante that you are, you probably DO consider n—— to be your equal (who am I to question this?). Yet, unlike you and your allies, I have an I.Q. in excess of 130, which grants me the ability to objectively evaluate the Great American Nigro (Africanus Criminalis).”

The e-mail proceeded to cite statistics claiming that African Americans, despite the U.S. government’s best efforts, were still as “criminal, surly, lazy, violent and stupid as he/she ever was.”

“Some day, you sanctimonious n—— -lovers will either have to live amongst them (‘nothing cures an enthusiasm for integration like a good dose of n——‘) or else defend yourselves against them,” it stated.

The blogger, Larry Handlin, who went by Arch Pundit online, posted the e-mail. It was referenced in local news articles and by the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Report, which tied Holt to the e-mail using his address and claimed to interview Holt’s radio station about it. Neither Holt nor his spokesman was immediately available for comment.

More than a decade later, Holt, who now heads the group, is again in the spotlight. Authorities said over the weekend that Charleston mass murder suspect Dylann Roof mentioned Holt’s group in his racist manifesto, saying he learned about “brutal black on white murders” from the group’s Web site. Holt said in a statement that was “not surprising”: “The CofCC is one of perhaps three websites in the world that accurately and honestly report black-on-white violent crime, and in particular, the seemingly endless incidents involving black-on-white murder,” he said.

“The CofCC is hardly responsible for the actions of this deranged individual merely because he gleaned accurate information from our website,” he added.

News came Monday that Holt had donated about $65,000 over the years to Republican campaign funds. He gave about $25,000 to Republican candidates in 2012 including former senator Rick Santorum (Pa.) and Sens. Ted Cruz (Tex.) and Rand Paul (Ky.). Most immediately distanced themselves from Holt, saying they were unaware of his affiliation and would return the money.

But despite Holt’s many donations to Republicans, he seemed none too pleased with the party when the Republican National Committee announced plans in 2013 to increase its minority outreach. “Other than profoundly endanger many canvassers by sending potential victims into increasingly dangerous ‘hoods’ and barrios,” he wrote on the organization’s Web site, “this ridiculous program will achieve nothing beyond perpetuating the RNC’s established practice of squandering and misspending funds donated in good faith by its party faithful.”

He was also upset, he said, that “the current RNC leadership seem particularly susceptible to what are often opportunistic and mercenary blacks feigning allegiance to GOP principles in order to benefit themselves in some manner.” That’s why, he said, he and his wife, “refuse to contribute to the RNC.”

He preferred, he said, “to contribute directly to conservative Republican candidates, ONLY, because we do not trust the RNC to spend our money as wisely as we would. Moreover, if it occurs to us to mention it, we also indicate our preference for Tea Party-endorsed candidates, to whom we have been quite generous the last few election cycles.”

Holt was particularly upset with the nomination of John McCain as the party’s presidential candidate in 2008, calling him “clueless.”

“I never dreamed,” he wrote, “that even a nation of dolts, gamblers, borrowers and personal injury plaintiffs would elect a phony nigro with three Moslem names and a Marxist agenda, no matter how much nigro voter fraud occurred on Election Day.”

He didn’t think much of the news media either, which he described as “dominated by Zionists, nigroes, communists, homosexuals, feminists and idiots.”

Holt, 62, grew up in St. Louis, where he graduated from Washington University, Riverfront Times reported in 2003. He stepped into the public eye in 1989 when he ran for a seat on the St. Louis School Board, joining others who had ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens in the fight against court-ordered busing for school desegregation, according to St. Louis Public Radio.

Amid a losing battle, Holt stepped down in 1993.

A spokesman for the council confirmed to St. Louis Public Radio that Holt was on the school board but did not elaborate.

Aside from a few comments on desegregation, Holt seldom made controversial remarks during his time on the board, according to the radio station. For the next several years, he devoted his time to his late-night radio talk show, called “Right at Night.” He also spent time protesting immigration, among other issues, at small rallies. “Our open border with Mexico has become a conduit for drugs and unskilled workers who take jobs [for less pay] and force incomes to ratchet downward,” he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch at an anti-immigration rally in St. Louis in 2003.

In 2003, the news came that Holt had spotted the Arch Pundit blog post calling him a white supremacist.

The e-mail to the writer included Holt’s full name and St. Louis address, which matches public records.

The next night, the blogger reportedly called radio station WGNU (920 AM) during Holt’s talk show and asked Holt about it, according to the 2003 article from Riverfront Times.

“Earl got kind of liquored up the other night,” he said, talking about himself, according to the Riverfront Times. “I wrote [Handlin] a really poignant e-mail and I probably used the n-word about maybe 20 times too many. … And I was stupid enough to put my home telephone number on there too. And I dared them to put the letter on the Web page, which they apparently have.

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But over the past few years, other such rhetoric has been attributed to Holt online.

An Internet user with Holt’s full name — Earl P. Holt III — has posted racist remarks on the news site the Blaze. “The REAL ENEMY is ‘Africanus Criminalis,’ the laziest, stupidest and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world,” the poster wrote in 2011. The user talked about getting his concealed-carry license so “[white skin privilege] doesn’t get me murdered by those without [white skin privilege]” and warned readers not to be the “kind of person who will be completely baffled when they kill you, rape your entire family, and burn your house to the ground.”

Jared Taylor, who has been acting as Holt’s media spokesman this week, told the Guardian in an interview: “If there’s a statement that is ‘Earl P Holt III,’ he probably made it.”

The Council of Conservative Citizens, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, has “evolved into a crudely white supremacist group whose website has run pictures comparing the late pop singer Michael Jackson to an ape and referred to black people as ‘a retrograde species of humanity.'” Its tabloid, the Citizens Informer, regularly runs articles condemning “race mixing.”

The group’s founder and longtime leader, Baum, died in March. Holt, who now lives in Longview, Tex., took over and now operates the Missouri-based Council of Conservative Citizens from there.

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He was also upset, he said, that “the current RNC leadership seem particularly susceptible to what are often opportunistic and mercenary blacks feigning allegiance to GOP principles in order to benefit themselves in some manner.” That’s why, he said, he and his wife, “refuse to contribute to the RNC.”


:lol: :lol:

I lay 10:1 nobody who recieved a contribution from this clown knows who he is and if they find out they will return it.

Meanwhile, BHO attended a "chruch" with openly racist sermons for 20 years but somehow, despite his genius, failed to notice.

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I believe that was the Asiana flight crew in the San Francisco crash.

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