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 Post subject: Duke LaCrosse Team, Part Deux
PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:02 pm 
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Rolling Stone runs a shocking story of a gang rape at a UVA fraternity....only problem is the story seems to be bull shit. Rolling Stone did not even attempt to speak the alleged named suspect or a representative of the fraternity. :shock:

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The university's president said in a statement Friday that doubts about the story "must not alter" its focus on the issue of sexual violence on college campuses.
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What a pathetic euncuh. This is EXACTLY why you need due process for sexual assault allegations. Sometimes they are bullshit.



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(CNN) -- Rolling Stone magazine apologized Friday for discrepancies in an article about the alleged gang rape of a University of Virginia student, after friends of the victim expressed doubts about the woman's account and the accused fraternity chapter denied key details.

Rolling Stone editors made the choice not to contact the man who allegedly "orchestrated the attack on "Jackie"(the woman who was the subject of the article) nor any of the men she claimed participated in the attack for fear of retaliation against her," a decision the magazine says it now regrets.

It said its trust in the woman "was misplaced."

"In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie's account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced," Rolling Stone said.

Rolling Stone Managing Editor Will Dana later tweeted that "the truth would have been better served by getting the other side of the story."



Rolling Stone: Our trust was misplaced

Allegations of rape at UVA University of Virginia pledges zero-tolerance in rape cases

The article chronicled the school's failure to respond to that alleged assault. It prompted an emergency meeting by the school's governing board and the announcement of a zero-tolerance approach toward sexual assault cases.

According to the magazine, Jackie, who at the time had just started her freshman year at the Charlottesville school, claimed she was raped by seven men at Phi Kappa Psi fraternity, while two more gave encouragement, during a party.

However, the University of Virginia's Phi Kappa Psi chapter did not have a party the night of September 28, 2012, the date when the alleged attack occurred, or at all that weekend, the chapter said in a statement Friday. The chapter's lawyer, Ben Warthen, told CNN email records and Inter-fraternity Council records are proof.

Warthen said there were other discrepancies in the accuser's account. For example, the accused orchestrator of the alleged rape did not belong to the fraternity, the fraternity house has no side staircase, and there were no pledges at that time of year.

Jackie told the magazine she hurried out a side staircase after the incident and said her attackers egged each other on, asking, "Don't you want to be a brother?"

"It's not part of our culture," Warthen said. "It's just not true."

Jackie also described her alleged attacker as a fellow lifeguard at the university pool. The fraternity's UVA chapter said an internal investigation found no member who worked at the Aquatic and Fitness Center at the time of the alleged attack.

"We have no knowledge of these alleged acts being committed at our house or by our members," the chapter statement said. "Anyone who commits any form of sexual assault, wherever or whenever, should be identified and brought to justice."

The chapter said it is working with the Charlottesville Police Department as it investigates the allegations.

The Washington Post reported Friday that a group of Jackie's close friends "believe something traumatic happened to her, but they also have come to doubt her account" because details have changed over time.

Rolling Stone's scathing report, detailing not just Jackie's graphic allegation of being raped and brutalized at a fraternity party, but also UVA's supposed indifference to victims of sexual assault, stirred a firestorm on the campus.



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 Post subject: Re: Duke LaCrosse Team, Part Deux
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However, the University of Virginia's Phi Kappa Psi chapter did not have a party the night of September 28, 2012, the date when the alleged attack occurred, or at all that weekend, the chapter said in a statement Friday. The chapter's lawyer, Ben Warthen, told CNN email records and Inter-fraternity Council records are proof.

Warthen said there were other discrepancies in the accuser's account. For example, the accused orchestrator of the alleged rape did not belong to the fraternity, the fraternity house has no side staircase, and there were no pledges at that time of year.


Well shit....if you are willing to overlook little shit like this (the facts), they are probably guilt as sin.

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 Post subject: Re: Duke LaCrosse Team, Part Deux
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Maybe it was Cosby. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Duke LaCrosse Team, Part Deux
PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:08 am 
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Advocates for alleged victims of sexual assaults fear that the Rolling Stone apology (for publishing a false story) will discourage others from reporting sexual assault. :roll: Yeah, if they made it up it might. This is a bit like Ferguson. If the initial story proves to be false you just keep going like nothing happened.

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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Advocates for sexual-assault victims say Rolling Stone's backpedaling from an explosive account of a gang rape at the University of Virginia doesn't change the fact that rape is a problem on college campuses and must be confronted — even as some expressed concern that the magazine's apology could discourage victims from coming forward.

Students, state government and education leaders, meanwhile, pledged to continue ongoing efforts to adequately respond to — and prevent — sexual assaults on campus.

Rolling Stone cast doubt on its story Friday of a gang rape by a woman it identified only as "Jackie," saying it has since learned of "discrepancies" in her account.

"Our trust in her was misplaced," the magazine's editor, Will Dana, wrote in a signed apology.

The lengthy article published last month used Jackie's case as an example of what it called a culture of sexual violence hiding in plain sight at U.Va.

Alison Kiss, executive director of the Clery Center for Security On Campus, said groups who work in the area will be concerned about a "chilling effect" Rolling Stone's apology could have on sexual-assault victims reporting the crimes.

But she said the magazine's announcement Friday "doesn't change the facts: Sexual assault on campus is drastically underreported and false reports are incredibly rare."

Emily Renda, U.Va.'s project coordinator for sexual misconduct, policy and prevention, and a member of the governor's Task Force on Combating Campus Sexual Violence, said she didn't question Jackie's credibility because that wasn't her role. Renda knows Jackie and also was interviewed for the Rolling Stone article.

"Rolling Stone played adjudicator, investigator and advocate — and did a slipshod job at that," added Renda, a May graduate who said she was raped her freshman year at the school. "As a result Jackie suffers, the young men in Phi Kappa Psi suffered, and survivors everywhere can unfairly be called into question."

Karen Chase, an English professor at U.Va. and Jackie's faculty adviser, said that she doesn't believe Jackie would knowingly say something that wasn't true.

"Jackie is a lovely person who never sought and who thoroughly disdains publicity or sensation," Chase said. "She spoke in good faith, and she deserves respect."

She added that regardless of whether there were incorrect details in the student's account, "We don't need Jackie's story to substantiate the problem of rape on this, or any other campus."

Victoria Olwell, one of the organizers of a protest rally on campus after the magazine story came out, said that it was Rolling Stone's credibility that was damaged.

"Actually, campus activists have been disputing one aspect of the story all along," which was the magazine's "depiction of them as quiescent," she said. "I think that we've seen in the last two weeks how effective we can be in mobilizing students, staff, faculty, and the administration to prevent sexual assault and penalize it more severely."

Rolling Stone said that because Jackie's story was sensitive, the magazine honored her request not to contact the men who she claimed organized and participated in the attack. That prompted criticism from other news organizations.

"We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account," the magazine's statement said. "We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story."

The statement Rolling Stone posted on its website said discrepancies in the woman's account became apparent "in the face of new information," but provided no details about what facts might be in question.

That wasn't enough for some.

"It is deeply troubling that Rolling Stone magazine is now publicly walking away from its central storyline in its bombshell report on the University of Virginia without correcting what errors its editors believe were made," Attorney General Mark Herring said in a statement.

The original story noted that a dangerous mix of alcohol, date-rape drugs and forced sex at fraternity parties is by no means unique to any one U.S. university. In fact, U.Va. is one of 90 schools facing Title IX sexual-violence investigations from the Education Department, a list that includes four others in Virginia: the College of William and Mary; James Madison University; the University of Richmond; and Virginia Military Institute.

But U.Va was roiled by the article, whose main allegation was that too many people at the university put protecting the school's image and their own reputations above seeking justice for sex crimes. The story prompted protests, classroom debates, formal investigations and a suspension of fraternity activities.

Phi Kappa Psi, where the gang rape allegedly occurred on Sept. 28, 2012, was attacked after the article was published, with cinderblocks thrown through the fraternity house's windows.


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 Post subject: Re: Duke LaCrosse Team, Part Deux
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It's Rolling Stone magazine...

(shrug)

I mean, what'd you expect? Agenda-free "journalism"?

Stick to stories involving how much blow Keith Richards has done since he was ten years old.

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 Post subject: Re: Duke LaCrosse Team, Part Deux
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Rolling Stone...Obama's magazine judging by all the covers.

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Wow, that Sabo cat has some hard hitting stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Duke LaCrosse Team, Part Deux
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Anything is possible, but some questions.

How does one go about shoving a woman through a glass coffee table then rape her lying in the glass? Does the coffee table have a frame? If there's a frame she'll have to be lifted out of it. If the whole table was glass, tempered or plate? In any scenario. Regarding 'a woman lying on glass' the rapists is going to get some shards in his balls and a sliced up willy. Just wondering how it would physically be possible.

Reminds me of accusations that US troops flushed a Koran down a toilette. Try flushing a book down a toilette. Really, try it. It can't be done.

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U-Va. students challenge Rolling Stone account of alleged sexual assault

By T. Rees Shapiro December 10 at 8:51 PM
It was 1 a.m. on a Saturday when the call came. A friend, a University of Virginia freshman who earlier said she had a date that evening with a handsome junior from her chemistry class, was in hysterics. Something bad had happened.

Arriving at her side, three students —“Randall,” “Andy” and “Cindy,” as they were identified in an explosive Rolling Stone account — told The Washington Post that they found their friend in tears. Jackie appeared traumatized, saying her date ended horrifically, with the older student parking his car at his fraternity, asking her to come inside and then forcing her to perform oral sex on five men.

In their first interviews about the events of that September 2012 night, the three friends separately told The Post that their recollections of the encounter diverge from how Rolling Stone portrayed the incident in a story about Jackie’s alleged gang rape at a U-Va. fraternity. The interviews also provide a richer account of Jackie’s interactions immediately after the alleged attack and suggest that the friends are skeptical of her account.

The scene with her friends was pivotal in the article, as it alleged that the friends were callously apathetic about a beaten, bloodied, injured classmate reporting a brutal gang rape at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity. The account alleged that the students worried about the effect it might have on their social status and how it might reflect on Jackie during the rest of her collegiate career and that they suggested not reporting it. It set up the article’s theme: That U-Va. has a culture that is indifferent to rape.

“It didn’t happen that way at all,” Andy said.

Instead, the friends remember being shocked. Although they did not notice any blood or visible injuries, they said they immediately urged Jackie to speak to police and insisted that they find her help. Instead, they said, Jackie declined and asked to be taken back to her dorm room. They went with her — two said they spent the night — seeking to comfort Jackie in what appeared to be a moment of extreme turmoil.

“I mean, obviously, we were very concerned for her,” Andy said. “We tried to be as supportive as we could be.”


The three students agreed to be interviewed on the condition that The Post use the same aliases as appeared in Rolling Stone because of the sensitivity of the subject.

They said there are mounting inconsistencies with the original narrative in the magazine. The students also expressed suspicions about Jackie’s allegations from that night. They said the name she provided as that of her date did not match anyone at the university, and U-Va. officials confirmed to The Post that no one by that name has attended the school.


Also, photographs that were texted to one of the friends showing her date that night were actually pictures depicting one of Jackie’s high school classmates in Northern Virginia. That man, now a junior at a university in another state, confirmed that the photographs were of him and said he barely knew Jackie and hasn’t been to Charlottesville for at least six years.


The friends said they were never contacted or interviewed by the pop culture magazine’s reporters or editors. Although vilified in the article as coldly indifferent to Jackie’s ordeal, the students said they cared deeply about their friend’s well-being and safety. Randall said that they made every effort to help Jackie that night.

“She had very clearly just experienced a horrific trauma,” Randall said. “I had never seen anybody acting like she was on that night before, and I really hope I never have to again. . . . If she was acting on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, then she deserves an Oscar.”

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They also said Jackie’s description of what happened to her that night differs from what she told Rolling Stone. In addition, information Jackie gave the three friends about one of her attackers, called “Drew” in the magazine’s article, differ significantly from details she later told The Post, Rolling Stone and friends from sexual assault awareness groups on campus. The three said Jackie did not specifically identify a fraternity that night.

The Rolling Stone article also said that Randall declined to be interviewed, “citing his loyalty to his own frat.” He told The Post that he was never contacted by Rolling Stone and would have agreed to an interview. The article’s writer, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, did not respond to requests for comment this week.

Rolling Stone also declined to comment, citing an internal review of the story. The magazine has apologized for inaccuracies and discrepancies in the published report.

The 9,000-word Rolling Stone article appeared online in late November and led with the brutal account of Jackie’s alleged sexual assault. In the article, Jackie said she attended a date function at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity in the fall of 2012 with a lifeguard she said she met at the university pool. During the party, Jackie said her date, “Drew,” lured her into a dark room, where seven men gang-raped her in an attack that left her bloodied and injured. In earlier interviews with The Post, Jackie stood by the account she gave to Rolling Stone.

Palma Pustilnik, a lawyer representing Jackie, issued a statement Wednesday morning asking that journalists refrain from contacting Jackie or her family. The Post generally does not identify victims of sexual assaults and has used Jackie’s real nickname at her request.


“As I am sure you all can understand, all of this has been very stressful, overwhelming and retraumatizing for Jackie and her family,” Pustilnik said. She declined to answer specific questions or to elaborate in a brief interview Wednesday.

Curious about friend’s date
Randall said he met Jackie shortly after arriving at U-Va. in fall 2012 and the two struck up a quick friendship. He said Jackie was interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with him; he valued her friendship but wasn’t interested in more.

The three friends said Jackie soon began talking about a handsome junior from chemistry class who had a crush on her and had been asking her out on dates.

Intrigued, Jackie’s friends got his phone number from her and began exchanging text messages with the mysterious upperclassman. He then raved to them about “this super smart hot” freshman who shared his love of the band Coheed and Cambria, according to the texts, which were provided to The Post.

“I really like this girl,” the chemistry student wrote in one message. Some of the messages included photographs of a man with a sculpted jaw line and ocean-blue eyes.

In the text messages, the student wrote that he was jealous that another student had apparently won Jackie’s attention.

“Get this she said she likes some other 1st year guy who dosnt like her and turned her down but she wont date me cause she likes him,” the chemistry student wrote. “She cant turn my down fro some nerd 1st yr. she said this kid is smart and funny and worth it.”




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