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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:35 pm 
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As good a place as any regarding race politics:


https://youtu.be/M_T3kqBybv0?t=11m18s


I like Sargon, but I find his voice and delivery to be tedious and pedantic. I agree with 99.99% of what he has to say, but cannot stand to listen to him. I think a lot of what he says in 100,000 words could be said in 10,000 words or less.



Oh, I think he rambles off too much of the references, and provides a few different approaches to each topic.

But I don't blame him for taking such approaches. 1) Not easy for detractors accusing of twisting words when he recites them line-for-line, and 2) The multiple defined approaches to each topic makes more sense since describing such things doesn't always come across very clear, or relatable, for everyone. I find myself doing the same thing, droning on about the same topic in numerous slightly different ways, in order to preempt confusion and possibly make a clearer single-sentence hook somewhere in that shotgun rant.


You gotta admit he has a damn good point about how race politics and racism is being handled by the usual suspects. I'm fairly certain a lot of people feel the same way, despite the media and political sensationalism.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Brown ... a fantasy ...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:23 am 
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The fantasy of Michael Brown-“hands up, don’t shoot” is resurfacing, because Democratic presidential candidates are pushing a false narrative-something that did not occur as they are saying:

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Time to retire Ferguson narrative

BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 08/12/19 08:30 AM EDT
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“Hands up, don’t shoot” never happened. Somebody tell the Democrats running for president.

Even amid the heated political rhetoric that dominates the news media and social media, resurrected false claims about the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., stand out as egregious.

On Friday and Saturday, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio), Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas), Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, all running for their party’s nomination for president, tweeted out statements containing disproven claims or false implications about the incident.

Booker tweeted: “5 years ago, Michael Brown was killed by a police officer ... I have been thinking all day about Mike and his family, and my prayers are with them. I am also thinking about the everyday citizens who stood against this police violence and racism and were tear gassed for their patriotic acts. Ferguson called to the conscience of our nation and inspired a movement that rightly continues.”

Gillibrand said: “5 years ago, a Ferguson police officer killed Michael Brown, an unarmed teenager. He shot him 6 times. Nothing will bring Michael back, but we can't stop fighting the injustice done to his family and so many others.”

Ryan wrote: “Five years since the tragic death of Michael Brown and we still have significant work to do. We must rebuild trust between police and the communities they have sworn to protect.”

DeBlasio said: “Michael Brown should be here today. My city knows the pain of Ferguson all too well ... NO ONE should die due to the color of their skin.”

O’Rourke tweeted: “Five years ago, Michael Brown was shot dead by a police officer. ... We are reminded of an idea as urgent, and as ignored, today as it was when Michael was killed: Black Lives Matter.”

Sanders wrote: “Michael Brown should be alive today. Five years after his death, we must finally end police violence against people of color.”

Harris had this take: “Michael Brown’s murder forever changed Ferguson and America. His tragic death sparked a desperately needed conversation and a nationwide movement. We must fight for stronger accountability and racial equity in our justice system.”

And Warren tweeted: “5 years ago Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. Michael was unarmed yet he was shot 6 times. I stand with activists and organizers who continue the fight for justice for Michael. We must confront systemic racism and police violence head on.”

I’m not too surprised when I hear friends and members of the public refer to the debunked narratives about the Ferguson shooting. I’ll explain why in a moment. But I was more than a little taken aback to find these presidential candidates — some of them lawyers — passing along divisive, libelous implications.

To back up for a moment, the shooting happened on Aug. 9, 2014. A Ferguson, Mo., police officer named Darren Wilson shot and killed an 18-year-old unarmed suspect named Michael Brown. Brown was black, Wilson is white. Witnesses claimed that Officer Wilson had shot Brown in cold blood while Brown’s hands were raised in surrender. Though without evidence, those accounts were afforded wide credence in the media. They sparked riots. They ignited a movement called “Hands up, don’t shoot!” 

If ever there were a time for responsible journalists to carefully mitigate uncorroborated and inflammatory claims, this was arguably the moment. At the time, pockets of the nation were a racial tinderbox.

The problem is, all of the racially tinged accusations against Officer Wilson were likely false, according to the final analysis by President Obama’s Department of Justice. The report, issued in 2015, found that Officer Wilson’s accounts were corroborated. He’d acted in self-defense. Brown, the report said, had reached into the police vehicle and grabbed Officer Wilson by the neck. And Brown appeared to be lunging toward Officer Wilson when Officer Wilson shot him in self-defense.  

The Obama Justice Department investigators concluded that original witness accounts claiming that Brown’s hands were up when he was shot, and other key claims, were “unreliable” and — in many instances — directly contradicted by the forensic evidence, while Officer Wilson’s story was supported by the forensics.

“Hands up, don’t shoot,” the Obama Justice Department found, was contrary to reliable accounts — and likely fabricated. 

The findings of this important report got nowhere near the news coverage of the original false claims. There were no apologies to Officer Wilson. His career and life were ruined by the false claims.

Now, the very candidates regularly accusing President Trump of being a liar and divisive, of making claims “without evidence,” have made their own divisive, false claims. Not only are these claims “without evidence,” they contradict the evidence, according to the Obama Justice Department.

There are, undeniably, instances of racism and bad policing in our society. Most everyone can get behind the idea of addressing them in a productive way. But to incorrectly forward the notion of the Ferguson shooting as an example of those problems shrouds the search for progress. 

Ferguson, based on the findings of the Obama Justice Department, isn’t an example of bad policing run amok or racism. It’s a tragic case of media malpractice ruining the life of a police officer who was found to have done nothing other than defend himself.

Sharyl Attkisson (@SharylAttkisson) is an Emmy Award-winning investigative journalist, author of The New York Times best-sellers “The Smear” and “Stonewalled,” and host of Sinclair’s Sunday TV program, “Full Measure.”




The country is already divided enough as it is.

These Democrat candidates are attempting to rip a scab off a wound and to inflame emotions, all for the sake of political gain.

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Brown ... a fantasy ...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:42 am 
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Went back and read thru this thread ... and while the topics were certainly unpleasant ... I found the elevated level of interaction between the board members to be positive :)

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 Post subject: Re: Michael Brown ... a fantasy ...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:48 am 
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A picture is worth 155 pages....

https://graphics.stltoday.com/img/grmp- ... _scene.png

if you can't look at that picture and say "jesus... something is totally fucked up here".... you're living in a fantasy world...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:27 am 
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You mean the separation between the vehicle and shooting scene?

Right..to me the question is ...You have very strong, very aggressive young man who has just committed multiple felonies in two separate incidents within minutes and who is acting half-crazed, having just reached INTO a cop car to take the officer's gun AND is wounded..does the cop call for back-up and wait or does he pursue the assailant who is clearly dangerous to the community?

Seems to me he either has to retreat by driving away or get out of the vehicle to protect himself. He is obviously not safe sitting there inside the vehicle.

Once he was out and ordered Brown to stop there is very strong evidence that Brown charged him exactly as he reported. What the Hell do you expect him to at that point? Can there be any doubt that Brown would have killed the guy given a chance?

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More than all the lies and posturing and rioting etc., the most annoying thing about this is the clearly political use of the DOJ by Obungler and "My People" Holder.

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How many times did he shoot before Brown charged ?

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So the (Obama) Justice Department AND a grand jury) had this all wrong---is that what you are saying Gump?

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Gump wrote:
How many times did he shoot before Brown charged ?


Do YOU know the answer to that?

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Like I said the picture tells the story... I don't intend to rehash 155 pages of wisdom...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpu6XgtS02w&t=134s

this is an interesting example of the "behavior" exhibited in this case... warning.. a little gory... If you are a police officer in his right mind... what should you do ?

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