Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1221 Post by wulfir » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:48 am

Russia will vote no to everything, but Russia also treats its own people like garbage, will treat deals and agreaments with other nations like garbage.

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1222 Post by C_S » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:32 pm

Europe can defend itself. If the r00skis invade the EU, France will nuke Germany. Then dust off their hands problem solved.
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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1223 Post by wulfir » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:05 pm

No need if Germany has nukes...

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1224 Post by nero » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:23 pm

wulfir wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:05 pm
No need if Germany has nukes...
Yes, France builds more nukes and they will be under common EU command. Strong together.
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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1225 Post by NATO » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:20 pm

France, Britain, Italy, Poland.... + Tuscon wud go batshit crazy if the krauts had even one nuke. So wud I, unless I, Nero and Wulfir were in control of it and its use :). La Palice wud have a dissenting opinion. Dont worry La Palice, May 1940 was done once, it doesnt have to be done again.

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1226 Post by NATO » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:22 pm

NATO wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:20 pm
France, Britain, Italy, Poland.... + Tuscon wud go batshit crazy if the krauts had even one nuke. So wud I, unless I, Nero and Wulfir were in control of it and its use :). La Palice wud have a dissenting opinion. Dont worry La Palice, May 1940 was done once, it doesnt have to be done again. Frankly, it already has happened.

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1227 Post by nero » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:30 pm

NATO wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:20 pm
France, Britain, Italy, Poland.... + Tuscon wud go batshit crazy if the krauts had even one nuke. So wud I, unless I, Nero and Wulfir were in control of it and its use :). La Palice wud have a dissenting opinion. Dont worry La Palice, May 1940 was done once, it doesnt have to be done again.
Yeah, the perfect a plan: France lends the nukes to Finland. And everyone is happy.



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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1228 Post by chijohnaok » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:23 pm

nero wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:23 pm
wulfir wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:05 pm
No need if Germany has nukes...
Yes, France builds more nukes and they will be under common EU command. Strong together.
You really think that is going to happen?

Do I need to remind you about this:
In February 1959, France withdrew its Mediterranean Fleet from NATO command,[28] and later banned the stationing of foreign nuclear weapons on French soil. This caused the United States to transfer two hundred military aircraft out of France and return control of the air force bases that it had operated in France since 1950 to the French by 1967.

Though France showed solidarity with the rest of NATO during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, de Gaulle continued his pursuit of an independent defence by removing France's Atlantic and Channel fleets from NATO command.[29] In 1966, all French armed forces were removed from NATO's integrated military command, and all non-French NATO troops were asked to leave France. US Secretary of State Dean Rusk was later quoted as asking de Gaulle whether his order included "the bodies of American soldiers in France's cemeteries?"[30] This withdrawal forced the relocation of SHAPE from Rocquencourt, near Paris, to Casteau, north of Mons, Belgium, by 16 October 1967
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... withdrawal

What makes you think that France wouldn't do the same thing again?
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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1229 Post by wulfir » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:48 pm

Depends on how things develop. Won't happen tomorrow, but the WW2/cold war generations will die off. Nukes might be used in other parts of the world...

I don't see how Europe can do without, but sure, some people hate the idea...

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1230 Post by NATO » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:49 pm

Changing topic a bit and something i've always wondered abt, HOW did Nazi Germany pay Sweden for the iron ore Germany bought/rcvd in those first and middle years of WWII?
-You'd figure Sweden wanted money or gold for their deliveries to Germany via the western Baltic Sea and were not giving Nazi Germany 'credit terms', "pay us later for our iron ore" terms.
-You'd figure Sweden would not accept wire-transferred Reichmarks as payment anyway, even if possible, .....any sort of european nation-to-nation banking system ceased on Sep 1, 1939, or not?
-Switzerland, prbly the greatest winner and survivor of WWII, did they ship Germany's gold to Sweden, I dont think so.

So how did Sweden get paid for the iron ore they sold to Nazi Germany 1939-1944(?). This is not a criticism of Sweden( they and the Danes gave us porn after all), just financial curiosity.
Question directed to Wulfir and Nero.

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