Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1201 Post by LaPalice » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:22 pm

The EU leaders want that Europe plays a more important role in the world, military if necessary.

Von der Leyen: 'Europe must learn the language of power'

New Foreign Policy Boss Says EU Must Use ‘Language of Power’

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1202 Post by chijohnaok » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:27 pm

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1203 Post by nero » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:31 pm

LaPalice wrote:The EU leaders want that Europe plays a more important role in the world, military if necessary.

Von der Leyen: 'Europe must learn the language of power'

New Foreign Policy Boss Says EU Must Use ‘Language of Power’
Perhaps an amendment to the EU constitution would be necessary: "every European man is a soldier". Like in Finland we have conscription system, not in constitution though. And for equality, I would drop that "man" off and mobilize the women too. ;)



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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1204 Post by LaPalice » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:38 pm

chijohnaok wrote:
LaPalice wrote:The EU leaders want that Europe plays a more important role in the world, military if necessary.

Von der Leyen: 'Europe must learn the language of power'

New Foreign Policy Boss Says EU Must Use ‘Language of Power’

The EU has already been practicing this....they bully their own members into accepting migrant quotas that the member state and its citizens do not agree with.
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It is true that the EU could use its own army against its own countries. We can see what the European soft power did to Greece.

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1205 Post by nero » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:19 pm

LaPalice wrote:
It is true that the EU could use its own army against its own countries. We can see what the European soft power did to Greece.
What the Troika did the Greece was a disgrace, all the money poured in went directly the German and French banks and this was against IMF rules that would have required debt reductions. :twisted:

But this is another thing.

That EU would use its own army against its own countries is less likely than the US would use its army against any of its states. The most obvious thing is that EU has no army. ;)

But should have, IMHO.
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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1206 Post by mdiehl » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:05 pm

It is true that the EU could use its own army against its own countries.
I'd even say that it is likely. The next time a major EU power votes to leave the EU, tanks will roll. If the EU can find any that actually run.
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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1207 Post by nero » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:13 pm

mdiehl wrote:
It is true that the EU could use its own army against its own countries.
I'd even say that it is likely. The next time a major EU power votes to leave the EU, tanks will roll. If the EU can find any that actually run.
Sometimes you hit the nail with your humour. :lol:

But the Feds in the US are even worse. So be prepared and build your own anti-zombie-stronghold zabSt (zombie abwehr stützpunkt). Po ruski you know it better. ;)
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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1208 Post by LaPalice » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:13 pm

nero wrote:
mdiehl wrote:
I'd even say that it is likely. The next time a major EU power votes to leave the EU, tanks will roll. If the EU can find any that actually run.
Sometimes you hit the nail with your humour. :lol:

But the Feds in the US are even worse. So be prepared and build your own anti-zombie-stronghold zabSt (zombie abwehr stützpunkt). Po ruski you know it better. ;)
EU can't have a real budget, so it is not tommorow that it will have enough money to buy tanks. If it is not a good thing for a nation, like France or Germany for example, it is certainly a good thing for the EU, as this entity has nothing that resembles to a sovereignty. And, as it is not a democracy, we can have doubts about the usage of that military force that the EU would use.

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1209 Post by LaPalice » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:39 pm

France sees the importance of space for its strategy and its defense.

France to conduct joint space exercises with US, Parly says
France created its Air Force Space Command in 2019, following the US Space Force.

France and the U.S. will conduct joint exercises in preparation for the militarization of space, France’s Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly said.

“Our respective space commanders have strong dialogue together,” Parly said during a joint press briefing with U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper at the Pentagon on Monday, January 27.

“There will be exercises, common exercises, with each other,” she said, offering no other detail.

France established its Space Command, part of the French Air Force in September 2019 for national defense purposes, President Emmanuel Macron said at the time. France intends to have weaponized satellites capable of destroying other satellites in orbit by 2030.

“Our nations have been in space for many, many years,” Esper said. “It’s just been recently that both China and Russia pushed us to the point where it became a war-fighting domain.”

The Pentagon has sought ways to maintain an edge over Russia and China’s increased development of hypersonic weapons, which can outmaneuver land- and sea-based missile defense systems on earth.

Russian officials have cited past U.S. experimentation with hypersonic conventional weapons as a motivation for developing their own versions.

The Trump administration established the Space Force as a separate military branch in December 2019 “to make sure that we can preserve space as a global commons,” Esper said.

Space is an integral domain “not just to our security but to our commerce, our way of life, our understanding of the planet, weather, you name it.”

He said that the U.S. intends to work to develop alliances with space-faring countries for future cooperation.

The French government does not intend to engage in a “space arms race,” but rather a “reasoned arsenalization,” an unnamed member of Parly’s cabinet told French magazine Le Point last year.

The international Outer Space Treaty of 1967 forbids the placing of nuclear weapons in space but permits conventional weaponization.

France’s Space Operations Command is based in Toulouse. Its budget is expected to top €4 billion by 2025.

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Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?

#1210 Post by mdiehl » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:43 pm

The US should run not walk away from cooperation with France. Shit they'll probably try to tax us for allowing them in on the defense plan.
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