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 Post subject: Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:22 am 
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So - in other words France has a history of doing it's own thing, distancing itself from NATO, and making nice with the USSR/Russia - and you are unhappy with this, but it is the same time what you want the US to do. Bawahahahaha...

This is where we play the French Taunt, right... :lol:

Though Borat is not French... but Sacha Noam Baron Cohen is a genius.



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 Post subject: Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?
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France never honored the deal. The US went above and beyond honoring the deal. There is no similarity between the US and France.

If you are too stupid to understand that, then you are a predictably typical european.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?
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I am European, I guess.

You talk about the French not honoring the deal, and what you want is for the US to not honor the deal. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?
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One key difference. France is IN europe ... USA is not. It is no more France's job to defend the USA from Mexico, than it is the USA's job to defend the French from Germany.

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 Post subject: Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?
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One key difference. France is IN europe ... USA is not. It is no more France's job to defend the USA from Mexico, than it is the USA's job to defend the French from Germany.

America was involved in two wars in Europe, reluctantly or not, I don't know. After 1945, thinking that it was enough, the Americans helped the French and the Germans to collaborate together, and approved of the creation of the Common Market and then the EU. So the US thinks that its job is not to defend the French from the Germans or the Germans from the French, but to be sure that the French and the Germans are not in war again.


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Well the Frogs sent an Emperer to rule mexico ... but we don't assume they will do it again next week ... :D

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jwilkerson wrote:
One key difference. France is IN europe ... USA is not.


Heh, I'm pretty sure the key difference is not geography. It is the fact that the US is a super-power, and France is not.


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The USA is a "has been" ... the USA is so broke they can't even count it ... USA needs to stop spending $$ it doesn't have ... the chinks are the new super-power ... but super-power or not ... europe should look to its needs first ...

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The USA is a "has been" ... the USA is so broke they can't even count it ... USA needs to stop spending $$ it doesn't have ... the chinks are the new super-power ... but super-power or not ... europe should look to its needs first ...


LOL :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Will Europe Ever Defend Itself?
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But the strategy runs aground, both for de Gaulle and for Macron, on two shoals. First, France hasn’t yet convinced its European partners that it is more reliable than the United States. American citizens are more willing than their French counterparts to use military force to defend an ally, and—despite Trump—Europeans know that America has provided 70 years of military leadership in NATO.

The second difficulty is that Macron expects other Europeans to increase their military contributions while not taking their concerns into account. The Economist in 2002 quipped that France aspired to be “the ever-agile rider astride post-war Europe’s powerful but ploddingly obedient German horse.” The brake on France’s ambitions isn’t the U.S.; it’s other Europeans. Macron advocates a Russia policy of European reengagement with the Kremlin to negotiate a new security order in Europe, which neither the Baltic states nor the Poles support; he advocates a European army Germany doesn’t want, but that Germany, more than others, would have to fund.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/charles-de-gaulle-lives-again/601618/


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