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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 5:07 pm 
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Here is an article that goes into great detail regarding the battle between US forces and Russian merc in Syria (the one that allegedly resulted in many, possibly hundreds, of Russian casualties:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/worl ... syria.html

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How a 4-Hour Battle Between Russian Mercenaries and U.S. Commandos Unfolded in Syria

By Thomas Gibbons-Neff
May 24, 2018

WASHINGTON — The artillery barrage was so intense that the American commandos dived into foxholes for protection, emerging covered in flying dirt and debris to fire back at a column of tanks advancing under the heavy shelling. It was the opening salvo in a nearly four-hour assault in February by around 500 pro-Syrian government forces — including Russian mercenaries — that threatened to inflame already-simmering tensions between Washington and Moscow.

In the end, 200 to 300 of the attacking fighters were killed. The others retreated under merciless airstrikes from the United States, returning later to retrieve their battlefield dead. None of the Americans at the small outpost in eastern Syria — about 40 by the end of the firefight — were harmed.

The details of the Feb. 7 firefight were gleaned from interviews and documents newly obtained by The New York Times. They provide the Pentagon’s first public on-the-ground accounting of one of the single bloodiest battles the American military has faced in Syria since deploying to fight the Islamic State.


The firefight was described by the Pentagon as an act of self-defense against a unit of pro-Syrian government forces. In interviews, United States military officials said they had watched — with dread — hundreds of approaching rival troops, vehicles and artillery pieces in the week leading up to the attack.

The prospect of Russian military forces and American troops colliding has long been feared as the Cold War adversaries take opposing sides in Syria’s seven-year civil war.

At worst, officials and experts have said, it could plunge both countries into bloody conflict. And at a minimum, squaring off in crowded battlefields has added to heightened tensions between Russia and the United States as they each seek to exert influence in the Middle East.

Commanders of the rival militaries had long steered clear of the other by speaking through often-used deconfliction telephone lines. In the days leading up to the attack, and on opposite sides of the Euphrates River, Russia and the United States were backing separate offensives against the Islamic State in Syria’s oil-rich Deir al-Zour Province, which borders Iraq.

American military officials repeatedly warned about the growing mass of troops. But Russian military officials said they had no control over the fighters assembling near the river — even though American surveillance equipment monitoring radio transmissions had revealed the ground force was speaking in Russian.


The documents described the fighters as a “pro-regime force,” loyal to President Bashar al-Assad of Syria. It included some Syrian government soldiers and militias, but American military and intelligence officials have said a majority were private Russian paramilitary mercenaries — and most likely a part of the Wagner Group, a company often used by the Kremlin to carry out objectives that officials do not want to be connected to the Russian government.

“The Russian high command in Syria assured us it was not their people,” Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told senators in testimony last month. He said he directed Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, “for the force, then, to be annihilated.”

“And it was.”


Amassing forces
The day began with little hint of the battle that was about to unfold.

A team of about 30 Delta Force soldiers and Rangers from the Joint Special Operations Command were working alongside Kurdish and Arab forces at a small dusty outpost next to a Conoco gas plant, near the city of Deir al-Zour.

Roughly 20 miles away, at a base known as a mission support site, a team of Green Berets and a platoon of infantry Marines stared at their computer screens, watching drone feeds and passing information to the Americans at the gas plant about the gathering fighters.

At 3 p.m. the Syrian force began edging toward the Conoco plant. By early evening, more than 500 troops and 27 vehicles — including tanks and armored personnel carriers — had amassed.

In the American air operations center at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, and at the Pentagon, confounded military officers and intelligence analysts watched the scene unfold. Commanders briefed pilots and ground crews. Aircraft across the region were placed on alert, military officials said.

Back at the mission support site, the Green Berets and Marines were preparing a small reaction force — roughly 16 troops in four mine-resistant vehicles — in case they were needed at the Conoco plant. They inspected their weapons and ensured the trucks were loaded with anti-tank missiles, thermal optics and food and water.

At 8:30 p.m., three Russian-made T-72 tanks — vehicles weighing nearly 50 tons and armed with 125-millimeter guns — moved within a mile of the Conoco plant. Bracing for an attack, the Green Berets prepared to launch the reaction force.

At the outpost, American soldiers watched a column of tanks and other armored vehicles turn and drive toward them around 10 p.m., emerging from a neighborhood of houses where they had tried to gather undetected.

A half-hour later, the Russian mercenaries and Syrian forces struck.

The Conoco outpost was hit with a mixture of tank fire, large artillery and mortar rounds, the documents show. The air was filled with dust and shrapnel. The American commandos took cover, then ran behind dirt berms to fire anti-tank missiles and machine guns at the advancing column of armored vehicles.

For the first 15 minutes, American military officials called their Russian counterparts and urged them to stop the attack. When that failed, American troops fired warning shots at a group of vehicles and a howitzer.

Still the troops advanced.


American warplanes arrived in waves, including Reaper drones, F-22 stealth fighter jets, F-15E Strike Fighters, B-52 bombers, AC-130 gunships and AH-64 Apache helicopters. For the next three hours, American officials said, scores of strikes pummeled enemy troops, tanks and other vehicles. Marine rocket artillery was fired from the ground.

The reaction team sped toward the fight. It was dark, according to the documents, and the roads were littered with felled power lines and shell craters. The 20-mile drive was made all the more difficult since the trucks did not turn on their headlights, relying solely on thermal-imaging cameras to navigate.


As the Green Berets and Marines neared the Conoco plant around 11:30 p.m., they were forced to stop. The barrage of artillery was too dangerous to drive through until airstrikes silenced the enemy’s howitzers and tanks.

At the plant, the commandos were pinned down by enemy artillery and burning through ammunition. Flashes from tank muzzles, antiaircraft weapons and machine guns lit up the air.

At 1 a.m., with the artillery fire dwindling, the team of Marines and Green Berets pulled up to the Conoco outpost and began firing. By then, some of the American warplanes had returned to base, low on either fuel or ammunition.


The United States troops on the ground, now roughly 40 in all, braced their defenses as the mercenaries left their vehicles and headed toward the outpost on foot.

A handful of Marines ran ammunition to machine guns and Javelin missile launchers scattered along the berms and wedged among the trucks. Some of the Green Berets and Marines took aim from exposed hatches. Others remained in their trucks, using a combination of thermal screens and joysticks to control and fire the heavy machine guns affixed on their roofs.

A few of the commandos, including Air Force combat controllers, worked the radios to direct the next fleet of bombers flying toward the battlefield. At least one Marine exposed himself to incoming fire as he used a missile guidance computer to find targets’ locations and pass them on to the commandos calling in the airstrikes.

An hour later, the enemy fighters had started to retreat and the American troops stopped firing. From their outpost, the commandos watched the mercenaries and Syrian fighters return to collect their dead. The small team of American troops was not harmed. One allied Syrian fighter was wounded.




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Who led the ill-fated attack?
The number of casualties from the Feb. 7 fight is in dispute.

Initially, Russian officials said only four Russian citizens — but perhaps dozens more — were killed; a Syrian officer said around 100 Syrian soldiers had died. The documents obtained by The Times estimated 200 to 300 of the “pro-regime force” were killed.

The outcome of the battle, and much of its mechanics, suggest that the Russian mercenaries and their Syrian allies were in the wrong part of the world to try a simple, massed assault on an American military position. Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the United States Central Command has refined the amount of equipment, logistics, coordination and tactics required to mix weapons fired from both the air and ground.

Questions remain about exactly who the Russian mercenaries were, and why they attacked.

American intelligence officials say that the Wagner Group, known by the nickname of the retired Russian officer who leads it, is in Syria to seize oil and gas fields and protect them on behalf of the Assad government. The mercenaries earn of a share of the production proceeds from the oil fields they reclaim, officials said.

The mercenaries loosely coordinate with the Russian military in Syria, although Wagner’s leaders have reportedly received awards in the Kremlin, and its mercenaries are trained at the Russian Defense Ministry’s bases.

Russian government forces in Syria maintain they were not involved in the battle. But in recent weeks, according to United States military officials, they have jammed the communications of smaller American drones and gunships such as the type used in the attack.

“Right now in Syria, we’re in the most aggressive E.W. environment on the planet from our adversaries,” Gen. Tony Thomas, the head of United States Special Operations Command, said recently, referring to electronic warfare. “They’re testing us every day.”

Reporting was contributed by Eric Schmitt from Washington; Ivan Nechepurenko from St. Petersburg, Russia; and C.J. Chivers. Kitty Bennett contributed research.

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There is a little video at the link. Apparently, the French government does not want that people know that French troops fight in Syria.

Newly released photos raise questions about French military role in Syria's Deir Ezzor

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A French army vehicle was visible in photos of the Syrian province of Deir Ezzor released by the US on Wednesday, raising questions about the nature of French involvement in the region. FRANCE 24’s Wassim Nasr discusses the implications.

The US Army released two pictures on Wednesday of US troops in the eastern Syrian province of Deir Ezzor, where US-backed fighters are battling jihadists to recapture the last Islamic State group stronghold. In the photo’s background a French army vehicle is clearly visible, indicating that French troops may also be taking part in the battle there – something the French government has never acknowledged.

The pictures were quickly pulled from the internet, but not before they raised new questions about the French military's role in the region.


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Proxy Wars are much more "discrete" these days . . .

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LaPalice wrote:
There is a little video at the link. Apparently, the French government does not want that people know that French troops fight in Syria.


The other day I listened to a podcast where Jesper Söder (a volunteer for the Kurdish YPG) said that the majority of air support they got in Syria was French...


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wulfir wrote:
LaPalice wrote:
There is a little video at the link. Apparently, the French government does not want that people know that French troops fight in Syria.


The other day I listened to a podcast where Jesper Söder (a volunteer for the Kurdish YPG) said that the majority of air support they got in Syria was French...

There are also Finns fighting with the YPG.



Only if you can understand Rally English. ;)

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wulfir wrote:
LaPalice wrote:
There is a little video at the link. Apparently, the French government does not want that people know that French troops fight in Syria.


The other day I listened to a podcast where Jesper Söder (a volunteer for the Kurdish YPG) said that the majority of air support they got in Syria was French...

It is difficult to trust that. The French have at the maximum 14 aircrafts in the zone, including those which supported the Iraqis in Mossoul. Maybe Jesper Soder does not apreciate the Americans ;)


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LaPalice wrote:
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The other day I listened to a podcast where Jesper Söder (a volunteer for the Kurdish YPG) said that the majority of air support they got in Syria was French...

It is difficult to trust that. The French have at the maximum 14 aircrafts in the zone, including those which supported the Iraqis in Mossoul. Maybe Jesper Soder does not apreciate the Americans ;)

But then you don't know what the Foreign Legion is doing, do you? ;)

Does the French Foreign Legion have air force?

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nero wrote:
LaPalice wrote:
It is difficult to trust that. The French have at the maximum 14 aircrafts in the zone, including those which supported the Iraqis in Mossoul. Maybe Jesper Soder does not apreciate the Americans ;)

But then you don't know what the Foreign Legion is doing, do you? ;)

Does the French Foreign Legion have air force?

The foreign legion does not have air force, nor special forces, so it impossible to hide them like the SF to the public. Except SF, the French have ground troops in Iraq, an artillery battery of CEASAR (155 mm self propelled artillery), which supported the iraqi troops in the assault of Mossoul.

To say something about the Foreign Legion, they are not considered as the best troops in the French army (except the paratroopers of the Foreign Legion). The Best French troops are the infanterie de marine.


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LaPalice wrote:
It is difficult to trust that. The French have at the maximum 14 aircrafts in the zone, including those which supported the Iraqis in Mossoul. Maybe Jesper Soder does not apreciate the Americans ;)


Jesper Söder's twitter (some of it is in English):

https://twitter.com/soder_jesper

He doesn't much like Turkey. Hates Daesh...


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