maddogdrivethru.net

Open all night
It is currently Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:43 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1544 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:06 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:50 pm
Posts: 36753
Location: West coast of the east coast
Reputation points: 20000
nero wrote:
This is weird, even by the Alabama standards. :roll:

Tamar Lapin wrote:
Image

Alabama woman indicted for manslaughter after miscarrying when shot

    Image
    Ebony Jemison, left, and Marshae Jones

An Alabama woman who suffered a miscarriage after being shot last year has been indicted for manslaughter in the loss of the fetus.

Marshae Jones was five months pregnant in December 2018 when, during a fight, Ebony Jemison shot her in the stomach — but a Jefferson County grand jury said the former mom-to-be was responsible because she started the brawl, AL.com reported.

“Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ said Pleasant Grove Police Lt. Danny Reid.

Initially, police charged Jemison, 23, with manslaughter but the charges were dismissed when a grand jury didn’t indict her.

Even though Jones didn’t fire the shots that killed her unborn baby girl, authorities said she caused the death by initiating the fight.

“It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby,” Reid said.

“[The fetus] had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection.”

Cops said the fight was about the unborn baby’s father.

Jones was taken into custody Wednesday. She will be transferred to Jefferson County Jail and held on $50,000 bond.

Letting the shooter free and charging the victim for manslaughter is rich. Without seeing the photo of the shooter, makes one believe that the shooter would be white. But Ebony does not sound like a whitey name.

OTOH what is the matter with Alabama, n-gg-s carrying guns? :shock:



There are many unanswered questions that the article doesn’t answer.

Since there is only an indictment, that means that there still needs to be a trial.
More evidence/details should be revealed to better explain what happened there.

And Nero, you need to read more carefully.

Quote:
Ebony Jemison shot her in the stomach


The photo of Ebony Jemison appears in the article that you posted. Ebony is the woman on the left.
She looks to be Africa-American.
Ebony Jemison was the shooter.

_________________
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
- misattributed to Alexis De Tocqueville

No representations made as to the accuracy of info in posted news articles or links


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:25 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:50 pm
Posts: 36753
Location: West coast of the east coast
Reputation points: 20000
Quote:
In December, Jones — then five months pregnant — got into an altercation with a 23-year-old woman outside of a store. The woman, Ebony Jemison, pulled out a gun and shot Jones in the stomach. Jones miscarried shortly after.

According to a report from Al.com, police initially charged Jemison with manslaughter over the shooting. But a jury declined to indict her, saying that Jones initiated the altercation and that Jemison was acting in self-defense when she shot at Jones.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/6/2 ... indictment

So Marsha Jones (The pregnant woman) started the fight.
She came after Ebony Jemison.
Ebony Jemison pulled out her gun and fired in self defense.
A grand jury reviewed the information and declined to indict Jemison, saying that she acted in self defense.

Quote:
A manslaughter charge that had been filed against Jemison, 23, soon after the shooting was then dropped after a grand jury declined to indict.


Quote:
According to authorities, Jones was the aggressor in the dispute that day and continued to press the fight even after Jemison had gotten into her vehicle to try to get away. It was then that Jemison got hold of a gun and fired a shot at Jones to stop the attack.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/06/its-not ... death.html

Quote:
Letting the shooter free and charging the victim for manslaughter is rich.



You’ve got your adjectives confused Nero.
Marsha Jones is the one who stated the fight, who attacked Jemison.
That does not make Jones the “victim”. That makes her the “attacker”
Jemison is the one who Jones attacked. That makes Jemison the “victim”.

And shame on you for dragging race into this.
Both parties involved in this are African-American.

_________________
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
- misattributed to Alexis De Tocqueville

No representations made as to the accuracy of info in posted news articles or links


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:04 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major

Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:43 pm
Posts: 20131
Reputation points: 682
chijohnaok wrote:
Quote:
In December, Jones — then five months pregnant — got into an altercation with a 23-year-old woman outside of a store. The woman, Ebony Jemison, pulled out a gun and shot Jones in the stomach. Jones miscarried shortly after.

According to a report from Al.com, police initially charged Jemison with manslaughter over the shooting. But a jury declined to indict her, saying that Jones initiated the altercation and that Jemison was acting in self-defense when she shot at Jones.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/6/2 ... indictment

So Marsha Jones (The pregnant woman) started the fight.
She came after Ebony Jemison.
Ebony Jemison pulled out her gun and fired in self defense.
A grand jury reviewed the information and declined to indict Jemison, saying that she acted in self defense.

Quote:
A manslaughter charge that had been filed against Jemison, 23, soon after the shooting was then dropped after a grand jury declined to indict.


Quote:
According to authorities, Jones was the aggressor in the dispute that day and continued to press the fight even after Jemison had gotten into her vehicle to try to get away. It was then that Jemison got hold of a gun and fired a shot at Jones to stop the attack.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/06/its-not ... death.html

Quote:
Letting the shooter free and charging the victim for manslaughter is rich.



You’ve got your adjectives confused Nero.
Marsha Jones is the one who stated the fight, who attacked Jemison.
That does not make Jones the “victim”. That makes her the “attacker”
Jemison is the one who Jones attacked. That makes Jemison the “victim”.

And shame on you for dragging race into this.
Both parties involved in this are African-American.

It appears that Ebony had been playing with the father of the foetus . Apparently not every woman is as tolerant as Melania. :roll:

And has Alabamistan also stand your ground law? :roll:

_________________
A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses. -- Carlo M. Cipolla

Mit der Dummheit kämpfen selbst Götter vergebens. -- Friedrich Schiller


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:35 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:50 pm
Posts: 36753
Location: West coast of the east coast
Reputation points: 20000
Yes, Alabama has a “stand your ground” law.

https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a- ... -3-23.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

There are roughly 35 or so states that have a version of stand your ground.

Do you want to know how to avoid being shot by someone under a stand your ground law?
Don’t physically attack someone.
Don’t physically attempt to attack someone.

If you can avoid doing that, then you will likely not be shot by someone defending themselves, someone standing their ground.

_________________
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
- misattributed to Alexis De Tocqueville

No representations made as to the accuracy of info in posted news articles or links


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:41 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major

Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:43 pm
Posts: 20131
Reputation points: 682
chijohnaok wrote:
Yes, Alabama has a “stand your ground” law.

https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a- ... -3-23.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

There are roughly 35 or so states that have a version of stand your ground.

Do you want to know how to avoid being shot by someone under a stand your ground law?
Don’t physically attack someone.
Don’t physically attempt to attack someone.

If you can avoid doing that, then you will likely not be shot by someone defending themselves, someone standing their ground.

Pregnant jealous enraged women are dangerous, so by law shoot them. I understand that, actually not.

But to charge the one shot for a manslaughter is FUBB, IMHO.

_________________
A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses. -- Carlo M. Cipolla

Mit der Dummheit kämpfen selbst Götter vergebens. -- Friedrich Schiller


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:19 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:50 pm
Posts: 36753
Location: West coast of the east coast
Reputation points: 20000
nero wrote:
chijohnaok wrote:
Yes, Alabama has a “stand your ground” law.

https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a- ... -3-23.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

There are roughly 35 or so states that have a version of stand your ground.

Do you want to know how to avoid being shot by someone under a stand your ground law?
Don’t physically attack someone.
Don’t physically attempt to attack someone.

If you can avoid doing that, then you will likely not be shot by someone defending themselves, someone standing their ground.

Pregnant jealous enraged women are dangerous, so by law shoot them. I understand that, actually not.

But to charge the one shot for a manslaughter is FUBB, IMHO.


Grand juries (made up of ordinary citizens) were presented these cases and made their decisions.

One grand jury looked at the situation regarding Ebony Jemison.
Based on the evidence presented to them by the prosecutor, they decided that there were insufficient grounds to charge a crime. It would appear that they decided she was merely defending herself.

One grand jury looked at the situation regarding Marsha Jones.
Based on the evidence presented to them, they decided that there were sufficient grounds that she be charged with a crime.
Apparently, existing law in Alabama states that if a person does something that contributes to the death of their unborn child, they may be charged with a crime.
It seems that the grand jury felt that Marsha Jones' actions contributed towards the death of her unborn child.
There will still be a regular trial, in which the prosecutor will present evidence; in which her attorney will present a defense; and in which a different jury will then decide whether she is guilty or not guilty.

I presume that even though the grand jury that looked at Ebony Jemison's case did not find sufficient grounds to indict her for a crime, the prosecutor might have had the option to still file charges against her.
The thing is, looking at it from the prosecutor's viewpoint, if a grand jury arrives at the decision that there are insufficient grounds to charge a crime against Ebony Jemison, then how much chance would there be if he still goes ahead and files charges that a regular jury would find Jemison guilty?

_________________
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
- misattributed to Alexis De Tocqueville

No representations made as to the accuracy of info in posted news articles or links


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:33 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major

Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:43 pm
Posts: 20131
Reputation points: 682
chijohnaok wrote:
nero wrote:
...
Pregnant jealous enraged women are dangerous, so by law shoot them. I understand that, actually not.

But to charge the one shot for a manslaughter is FUBB, IMHO.


Grand juries (made up of ordinary citizens) were presented these cases and made their decisions.

One grand jury looked at the situation regarding Ebony Jemison.
Based on the evidence presented to them by the prosecutor, they decided that there were insufficient grounds to charge a crime. It would appear that they decided she was merely defending herself.

One grand jury looked at the situation regarding Marsha Jones.
Based on the evidence presented to them, they decided that there were sufficient grounds that she be charged with a crime.
Apparently, existing law in Alabama states that if a person does something that contributes to the death of their unborn child, they may be charged with a crime.
It seems that the grand jury felt that Marsha Jones' actions contributed towards the death of her unborn child.
There will still be a regular trial, in which the prosecutor will present evidence; in which her attorney will present a defense; and in which a different jury will then decide whether she is guilty or not guilty.

I presume that even though the grand jury that looked at Ebony Jemison's case did not find sufficient grounds to indict her for a crime, the prosecutor might have had the option to still file charges against her.
The thing is, looking at it from the prosecutor's viewpoint, if a grand jury arrives at the decision that there are insufficient grounds to charge a crime against Ebony Jemison, then how much chance would there be if he still goes ahead and files charges that a regular jury would find Jemison guilty?

In the good olden times there was the principle "what is not just and right can not be a law". ;)

_________________
A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses. -- Carlo M. Cipolla

Mit der Dummheit kämpfen selbst Götter vergebens. -- Friedrich Schiller


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:56 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:50 pm
Posts: 36753
Location: West coast of the east coast
Reputation points: 20000
nero wrote:

In the good olden times there was the principle "what is not just and right can not be a law". ;)


Well, in the "good olden times" they also had Trial by ordeal, Trial by combat, and other such nonesense....




Trial by jury may not always be 100% perfect, but its a major improvement over what mankind has had in the past.

_________________
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
- misattributed to Alexis De Tocqueville

No representations made as to the accuracy of info in posted news articles or links


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:29 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major

Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:43 pm
Posts: 20131
Reputation points: 682
What happens in Alabama must stay in Alabama. :roll:

PS. I just can not believe that you think that it is just and right that a woman who is shot in stomach is charged for manslaughter. That is crazy, Southern Sudan crazy. :twisted:
PPS. This "what is not just and right can not be a law" is an advice for the judges in Finland.

_________________
A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses. -- Carlo M. Cipolla

Mit der Dummheit kämpfen selbst Götter vergebens. -- Friedrich Schiller


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Crime Forum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:45 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Major
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:50 pm
Posts: 36753
Location: West coast of the east coast
Reputation points: 20000
nero wrote:
What happens in Alabama must stay in Alabama. :roll:

PS. I just can not believe that you think that it is just and right that a woman who is shot in stomach is charged for manslaughter. That is crazy, Southern Sudan crazy. :twisted:
PPS. This "what is not just and right can not be a law" is an advice for the judges in Finland.


I wasn’t a member of the grand jury that indicted her.
They had access to more of the evidence, more of the facts, than you or I do.

Another jury will decide whether she is guilty or not.
They will also have access to all the evidence (whereas you and I currently do not).
I will place my trust in the jury.

_________________
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.
- misattributed to Alexis De Tocqueville

No representations made as to the accuracy of info in posted news articles or links


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1544 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Lava and 11 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group