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 Post subject: Tales of the South China Sea
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:10 pm 
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Robert Kaplan, writing in Foreign Policy, describes the South China Sea as the fulcrum of the Pacific. What happens there is the bellweather of who dominates the Pacific’s 21st century: China or the United States. On it depends more than who rules. It may determine whether the way forward is peaceful or conflicted.
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A glance at the map of Asia shows its singular geography. Paralleling the actual coast of the Asian continent is a second coast, separated from the real mainland by straits and narrow seas. Running north from the Malay barrier, it goes past the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and finally to the virtual offshore/onshore outpost of South Korea. If Western Europe was America’s frontier across the Atlantic, the outer coast of Asia has long been its own Pacific boundary. Kaplan writes:

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Wow. I did not realize this was a multi-lateral buildup. Not lookin' good at all . . .

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For it isn’t just China that is dramatically building its military; Southeast Asian countries are as well. Their defense budgets have increased by about a third in the past decade, even as European defense budgets have declined. Arms imports to Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia have gone up 84 percent, 146 percent, and 722 percent, respectively, since 2000. The spending is on naval and air platforms: surface warships, submarines with advanced missile systems, and long-range fighter jets. Vietnam recently spent $2 billion on six state-of-the-art Kilo-class Russian submarines and $1 billion on Russian fighter jets

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What happens there is the bellweather of who dominates the Pacific’s 21st century: China or the United States.


China can have it. I'm good with that.

The South China Sea is, however, NOT the South Pacific. It's the far Western Pacific.

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A glance at the map of Asia shows its singular geography *snip*


Indeed.
Notice how Taiwan is colored the same as the PRC while the label is the same font size as used for the island of Hainan, while other nations are in bold.

The map isn´t in the original article but from some Thai source. Tsk, tsk!
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Wow. I did not realize this was a multi-lateral buildup. Not lookin' good at all . . .

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For it isn’t just China that is dramatically building its military; Southeast Asian countries are as well. Their defense budgets have increased by about a third in the past decade, even as European defense budgets have declined. Arms imports to Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia have gone up 84 percent, 146 percent, and 722 percent, respectively, since 2000. The spending is on naval and air platforms: surface warships, submarines with advanced missile systems, and long-range fighter jets. Vietnam recently spent $2 billion on six state-of-the-art Kilo-class Russian submarines and $1 billion on Russian fighter jets

China just sailed it's first carrier recently so we better be careful before they build more and overrun us militarily :roll:. By the way that "new" carrier is an 80's era Russian carrier that it took them almost 15 years to refurbish.


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I figure we must somewhere have one or two leftover Balao class SS rotting in some mothball yard near San Fran. One of those could put an instant end to Kirov or whatever it's new name will be. We could sell 'em to the PI for their cost in scrap steel.

Multilateral build up. Meh. Twice one peanut is two peanuts. Anyhow, China's agitation of its neighbors is not my problem.

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China just sailed it's first carrier recently so we better be careful before they build more and overrun us militarily :roll:. By the way that "new" carrier is an 80's era Russian carrier that it took them almost 15 years to refurbish.


China doesn't have to invade the West Coast to have the US by the balls. :roll:

As you well know, most everything that's not manufactured in China is manufactured in SE Asia an the western Pacific. If they ended up with some form of control of pretty much every consumer product we have, and many industrial products, then they've gotcha by the balls and can start squeezing. We've seen that they aren't averse to manipulating everything in such ways.

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Let 'em. "Squeezing" US access to SE Asian made products will simply create 20 million American manufacturing jobs. It'd be a hell of a good thing if we' stop remote sourcing critical aircraft parts, batteries, auto parts, etc.

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Let 'em. "Squeezing" US access to SE Asian made products will simply create 20 million American manufacturing jobs. It'd be a hell of a good thing if we' stop remote sourcing critical aircraft parts, batteries, auto parts, etc.

And by extension completely fucking themselves by locking themselves out of their biggest market. I'd laugh my ass off cause it'd hurt the Chinese more than it would hurt us.


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knuckles_95 wrote:
China just sailed it's first carrier recently so we better be careful before they build more and overrun us militarily :roll:.

Can we do a Pearl Harbor a la Dec 41 on China?
will they dare go nuclear if we try?
can we take out their hackers who have been successfuly practicing for years hacking into our world?
Are our best Pentagon/IT minds thinking abt it, planning it?
Can we suppress their ICBMs?
Or will one or two or three slant SLBMs get through to San Fran, LA and Seattle?
Can we explain to our friends: sorry, no more chinese food takeout other than your local denizens?


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