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 Post subject: Re: Mexican ferry explosion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:38 pm 
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I understand that.... how does it compare to what happened in Las Vegas ? Millions of people from all over the world visit that area every year.... it's nothing more than the usual hypocritical jingoism of this crowd to try to make it into more than it is...

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 Post subject: Re: Mexican ferry explosion
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The thing is this is a specific, evolving threat so one can't cite past statistics except perhaps in OTHER areas of Mexico like Jalisco where criminal gangs are well established.

I wonder what a criminal narcotraficante gang would want with a ferry in a spot on the Caribbean not far from South America? Hmmmmm? Probably just weekend fun for the family and gang bangers


The criminal narcotraficante gangs are losing any prior hesitation they might have had in the past to stay out of the touristy areas.
The Mexican government has shown itself to be ineffectual against these gangs so they grow bolder in their activities.

Maybe the ferry was being used by one gang to transport some of its product.
OR maybe one of the criminal narcotraficante gangs had used its drug/crime proceeds to purchase and run the ferry business as a way of trying to "clean" up (launder) its illegal proceeds, and another gang was jealous?

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5789294/h ... -capitals/

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MURDER IN PARADISE How Mexico’s party hotspot Cancun has become one of the world’s murder capitals

Violence in Cancun has escalated, with the murder rate doubling in the past year

By Jon Lockett
12th March 2018, 4:44 pmUpdated: 12th March 2018, 5:20 pm

THE Mexican tourist hotspot of Cancun is in the grips of a brutal and growing crime wave that threatens to leave it a ghost town.

Violence has escalated to such an extent that the murder rate has doubled in the past year - with 169 killings recorded in the first half of last year alone.

Amid a thriving drug trade and widespread extortion, fear is rampant and most of the murders go unsolved, reports news.com.

Now, the situation is so dire that its multi-billion dollar tourism industry is under threat.

British journalist Krishnan Guru-Murthy travelled to Mexico for SBS’s Dateline to investigate why so many murders are taking place.

“This is one of the most beautiful views in the world and we are the only people here,” Guru-Murthy said from Cancun’s main beach.

Later on, just before sunset, he found himself in the middle of a crime scene — a man had been gunned down in the sand.

Four men had come in through a luxury hotel and attacked the man, who later died in hospital.

And this was meant to be one of the safer places in the area frequented by tens of thousands of Brit tourist ever year.

Guru-Murthy was also shocked by the lack of police presence, with many tourists unaware of the gruesome sight just metres away.

“It’s as if the police don’t want anyone to notice. There’s minimum fuss and hardly any officers here,” he said.

While it’s the third shooting on the beach in Cancun this year, tourists are deliberately not told of the dangers.

Even when a well-known police commander, his wife and baby nephew were shot dead, nobody was arrested.

There are fears that Cancun is now on the brink of ruin and could face a similar demise as another well known Mexican resort, Acapulco.

This was once one of the world’s most glamorous locations but is now Mexico’s murder capital.

Guru-Murthy also visited Acapulco, and just five minutes after landing was notified of a nearby crime scene with four bodies - including children.

Another night during his stay, the journalist heard gunshots as a taxi driver had been murdered on the street outside.

Investigators in Acapulco are totally overwhelmed, often visiting 10 murder scenes a day.

Troops patrol the city’s streets and beaches, extortion and murder are rife and many businesses have been forced to close.

There are no foreign tourists in sight, it’s simply too dangerous here and the gangsters rule the streets.

Local businesswoman Lara explained: “They arrived one day and asked for between 15,000 and 20,000 pesos ($1025-$1367) a month.

“It’s not nice to walk in the street and find someone’s head. It’s very sad to know that your friends have been executed."

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:46 am 
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Investigators in Acapulco are totally overwhelmed, often visiting 10 murder scenes a day.


Jesus fucking christ, what a shithole.

The tourist areas used to be fairly safe but apparently the corruption and cartels have become so widespread in Mexico, even those appear to be losing.

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Investigators in Acapulco are totally overwhelmed, often visiting 10 murder scenes a day.


Jesus fucking christ, what a shithole.

The tourist areas used to be fairly safe but apparently the corruption and cartels have become so widespread in Mexico, even those appear to be losing.


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Jesus fucking christ, what a shithole


Nah, “it's nothing more than the usual hypocritical jingoism”.

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Guatemalans and Salvadorans already use the "shithole" argument for asylum applications. Wait till the Mexicans figure out they can do the same thing.

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I'd expect someone who is very conscious of how articles attempt to manipulate the reader when it's something they disagree with, to be able to spot the same manipulations aimed at your confirmation bias.. :roll:

How many tourists have been killed ? Who was the guy that was "killed" in the hotel ? A tourist or a drug gang member hiding in the hotel ? Find me an article about a single tourist that's been robbed or murdered.... then compare those statistics to tourists visiting Chicago....

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So who is this British journalist and newspaper shilling for then?

The article refers to a killing that occurred “in the sand” (that’s presumably on the beach...you know, where tourists would hang out); it refers to 4 men coming through the hotel and attacking someone(that presumably a hotel where tourists stay at); and a taxi driver being “shot outside” (that would presumably be outside the hotel or whatever tourist spot the article writer was at. And taxi drivers give rides to who exactly......tourists).

So people are being killed on the beach, where tourists are; people are being attacked either in or by people coming through the hotel, where tourists are; and taxi drivers are being shot outside tourists venues, taxis who give rides to tourists....and then you think that tourists shouldn’t be concerned about their safety if they were to travel to Cancun?

So when are you booking a trip for you and your family to Cancun?

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here ... I found the truth for you.... strange how a guy who can pull info up 500 times a day couldn't find it...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 527247001/

Your chances of getting murdered or robbed as one of the millions of people that visit every year is much lower than a stroll on just about any major US city street.....

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From your linked article:

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Violent crime is encroaching on this Riviera Maya tourist hot spot, as well as nearby Playa del Carmen and Tulum,


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Although the crime wave so far is mostly limited to areas outside the resorts where tourists stay, Cancun shows signs of following the ill-fated path of Acapulco. That city was once the granddaddy of Mexican tourist destinations, but now is one of country’s deadliest areas and no longer a mecca for international travelers.


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Still, three men were gunned down in the Cancún hotel zone last November


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Five security guards died at an electronic music festival in Playa del Carmen in January, and a July shootout in a nightclub on the city's famed Fifth Avenue injured three.


The article makes this comparison:
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Quintana Roo state, where Cancun is located, recorded 133 murders in the first six months of 2017, more than double the total for all of last year.

In comparison, Chicago has recorded more than 400 homicides through July, the most of any U.S. city this year.


What the article "forgot" to mention is that the population of Chicago and Quintana Roo state are not the same (2.7 million for Chicago and 1.326 million for Quintana Roo state).

That linked article also included these linked articles:
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Related investigation:

Tourists to all-inclusive resorts in Mexico suspect they were given tainted alcohol
A Mexican vacation, a mysterious death, and now endless questions for Wisconsin family
U.S. State Department warns tourists about tainted alcohol at Mexico resorts



So again, if you contend that Cancun is a safe place to visit, when are you booking a vacation for you and your family to visit Cancun?

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