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 Post subject: Re: Farage and EU pension
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:05 pm 
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Nero, in the banner (top) of the website that you posted the article from it states “UK spoof news and satire”.

This website is UK equivalent of “The Onion”
This article and the quotes were made up.

Ahh... I din't recognize the humour site!!! --- NOT!!!! :lol:

And what is wrong with humor sites anyway? :roll:

And the news that Farage is taking the pension in spite of his strong anti-EU opinions. ;)

What is your point? :roll:


Humor sites are fine....but you cited an article (with made up quotes) that appeared on a "spoof news and satire" website...a website that clearly stated that at the top of the page.

You have previously criticized "fake news" and then post (as serious) an article from a website that says right at the top of the page that it is a "spoof".

And in case you are not familiar with the word "spoof", here is the definition:

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spoof
[spoof]
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noun
1.
a mocking imitation of someone or something, usually light and good-humored; lampoon or parody:
The show was a spoof of college life.
2.
a hoax; prank.

verb (used with object)
3.
to mock (something or someone) lightly and good-humoredly; kid.
4.
to fool by a hoax; play a trick on, especially one intended to deceive.
verb (used without object)
5.
to scoff at something lightly and good-humoredly; kid:
The campus paper was always spoofing about the regulations.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/spoof

Are we to believe now that Nero cannot recognize "fake news" even when it clearly identifies as being that? ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Farage and EU pension
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:50 pm 
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chijohnaok wrote:
nero wrote:
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Ahh... I din't recognize the humour site!!! --- NOT!!!! :lol:

And what is wrong with humor sites anyway? :roll:

And the news that Farage is taking the pension in spite of his strong anti-EU opinions. ;)

What is your point? :roll:


Humor sites are fine....but you cited an article (with made up quotes) that appeared on a "spoof news and satire" website...a website that clearly stated that at the top of the page.

You have previously criticized "fake news" and then post (as serious) an article from a website that says right at the top of the page that it is a "spoof".

And in case you are not familiar with the word "spoof", here is the definition:

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spoof
[spoof]
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noun
1.
a mocking imitation of someone or something, usually light and good-humored; lampoon or parody:
The show was a spoof of college life.
2.
a hoax; prank.

verb (used with object)
3.
to mock (something or someone) lightly and good-humoredly; kid.
4.
to fool by a hoax; play a trick on, especially one intended to deceive.
verb (used without object)
5.
to scoff at something lightly and good-humoredly; kid:
The campus paper was always spoofing about the regulations.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/spoof

Are we to believe now that Nero cannot recognize "fake news" even when it clearly identifies as being that? ;-)

That Farage has no problems taking pension from the EU is not fake news. ;)

This Catastrowanker might be an invention, to increase the humour in the story. I would call it as unsubstantiated claim. :roll:

Again, WTF is your problem? :roll:

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nero wrote:

That Farage has no problems taking pension from the EU is not fake news. ;)

This Catastrowanker might be an invention, to increase the humour in the story. I would call it as unsubstantiated claim. :roll:

Again, WTF is your problem? :roll:



Nero,

Had you quoted either of the articles that you posted in your later post (Metro or the article from the BBC), had you posted them in your original post, I would not have made an issue of this.

But that you posted a made up article from a humor/spoof website and positioned it as serious is what I take issue with.

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And now onto the issue itself:

You are making an issue that Farage may take a pension from the EU for his serving as a Member of the European Parliament.
The fact of the matter is that he was elected to his position in 1999 and has served there ever since.
He (presumably) earns a salary for serving as a MEP.
And (presumably) MEPs who meet the requirements for earning a pension are entitled to that pension.

So let me ask you a few questions:

1) Should people who are elected to and serve as a MEP receive a salary?

2) Should people who meet the requirements for earning a MEP pension receive that pension?

3) Should MEPs who are critical of the EU have their salaries and pensions revoked?

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It'll probably piss Nero off, there's a union jack in it. :lol:

Nero is a big believer in the power of patronage apparently, only those of correct thinking should be funded, those without can get zip. Who woulda thought the great Leftist would turn out to be akin to an 18th century aristocrat-politician?

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chijohnaok wrote:
nero wrote:

That Farage has no problems taking pension from the EU is not fake news. ;)

This Catastrowanker might be an invention, to increase the humour in the story. I would call it as unsubstantiated claim. :roll:

Again, WTF is your problem? :roll:



Nero,

Had you quoted either of the articles that you posted in your later post (Metro or the article from the BBC), had you posted them in your original post, I would not have made an issue of this.

But that you posted a made up article from a humor/spoof website and positioned it as serious is what I take issue with.

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And now onto the issue itself:

You are making an issue that Farage may take a pension from the EU for his serving as a Member of the European Parliament.
The fact of the matter is that he was elected to his position in 1999 and has served there ever since.
He (presumably) earns a salary for serving as a MEP.
And (presumably) MEPs who meet the requirements for earning a pension are entitled to that pension.

So let me ask you a few questions:

1) Should people who are elected to and serve as a MEP receive a salary?

2) Should people who meet the requirements for earning a MEP pension receive that pension?

3) Should MEPs who are critical of the EU have their salaries and pensions revoked?

Farage is opposing any brexit divorce bill - "no deal is better than a bad deal", "not a penny".

But he can accept the pension for EU. The remaining 27 will not pay Farage's pension. So Farage is obviously ready accept "some" brexit divorce bill to get his pension. That is pretty funny. ;)

Perhaps this too complicated for you... ? :roll:

"It is not lying if the President does it...", "it not obstruction of justice when the President does it..."

So it goes.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:27 pm 
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It'll probably piss Nero off, there's a union jack in it. :lol:

Nero is a big believer in the power of patronage apparently, only those of correct thinking should be funded, those without can get zip. Who woulda thought the great Leftist would turn out to be akin to an 18th century aristocrat-politician?

:lol:

Your idea of trolling. :roll:

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Keep rolling your eyes Nero all you want but I was not the one that started off what (you apparently) felt was a legitimate issue by quoting an article put out by a satirical website that has the words "“UK spoof news and satire” at the top of its webpage.

Had you taken a minute to look at the website you would have seen other articles with titles like:

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Post-Brexit economy to be based on pounds of flesh

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Your skin will soon be your money, according to the latest Brexit negotiations.

The government will announce its post-Brexit economy plan today, and the basis of it will consist of using actual flesh to purchase goods.



Quote:
Further historical sexual abuse allegations as God accused of impregnating young virgin


God impregnated virgin girl
Shockwaves have been felt through religious circles today as new allegations emerged against God himself, with suggestions he impregnated a young virgin who was married to another man.


and

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Dog eagerly anticipating opportunity to trash the Christmas Tree


Christmas tree destroyed by dog
Christmas is my favourite time of year because I get to trash the shit out of the tree, a dog has confirmed today.

Image

7-year old Mister Rex, who prefers to be known by his dog name ‘Zogaranth, destroyer of furniture, ruiner of rugs’, has been running in circles and crashing into stuff in keen anticipation of the first time he’s left alone with the Christmas tree for more than eight seconds.



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chijohnaok wrote:
Keep rolling your eyes Nero all you want but I was not the one that started off what (you apparently) felt was a legitimate issue by quoting an article put out by a satirical website that has the words "“UK spoof news and satire” at the top of its webpage.

Had you taken a minute to look at the website you would have seen other articles with titles like:

Quote:
Post-Brexit economy to be based on pounds of flesh

Image

Your skin will soon be your money, according to the latest Brexit negotiations.

The government will announce its post-Brexit economy plan today, and the basis of it will consist of using actual flesh to purchase goods.



Quote:
Further historical sexual abuse allegations as God accused of impregnating young virgin


God impregnated virgin girl
Shockwaves have been felt through religious circles today as new allegations emerged against God himself, with suggestions he impregnated a young virgin who was married to another man.


and

Quote:
Dog eagerly anticipating opportunity to trash the Christmas Tree


Christmas tree destroyed by dog
Christmas is my favourite time of year because I get to trash the shit out of the tree, a dog has confirmed today.

Image

7-year old Mister Rex, who prefers to be known by his dog name ‘Zogaranth, destroyer of furniture, ruiner of rugs’, has been running in circles and crashing into stuff in keen anticipation of the first time he’s left alone with the Christmas tree for more than eight seconds.



What untruths you found in the satire article? :roll:

Certainly less than any Faux News material or tory tabloids in Britain covering EU or climate change. :twisted:

So it goes.

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If Farage only seeks the Pension he EARNED by virtue of his years of service, then I don't see a problem. How would that be a problem?

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Keep rolling your eyes Nero all you want but I was not the one that started off what (you apparently) felt was a legitimate issue by quoting an article put out by a satirical website that has the words "“UK spoof news and satire” at the top of its webpage.

Had you taken a minute to look at the website you would have seen other articles with titles like:





and


What untruths you found in the satire article? :roll:

Certainly less than any Faux News material or tory tabloids in Britain covering EU or climate change. :twisted:

So it goes.


What "untruths" did I find in the article?

There were numerous quotes attributed to Farage that were never actually stated by Farage.

Example 1:

The article states:

Quote:
Farage explained to Marr and his viewers, “Look, I don’t want those filthy Eurocrats getting a single penny more from the British voters – unless of course those pennies turn into tens of thousands of pounds and come back to me in the form of a disgustingly lucrative pension.


I googled the quote "“Look, I don’t want those filthy Eurocrats getting a single penny more from the British voters – unless of course those pennies turn into tens of thousands of pounds and come back to me in the form of a disgustingly lucrative pension", and do you know how many times a search of the world wide web found a match for that?
Exactly 1 match.
The only place on the internet where this quote appears is on Newsthump in the article that you cited in your opening post.

Example 2:
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“We shouldn’t be giving the EU anything, they’ve had more than enough from us over the years, but if the UK has to pay some sort of large settlement when leaving the EU to ensure that I get my pension, then I suppose that is how it will have to be.


Again, I googled that quote and found only 1 place where that quote appears on the internet, and that again was at Newsthump in the article that you posted.

Example 3:

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“Look, I’ve made everyone worse off, set our economy back years, and given voice to the far-right of politics at home and abroad – but most of all I’ve secured a lucrative pension from a job I claimed to hate and did everything I could to avoid.


Again, one match on the internet, that being the Newsthump article.

The article says "Farage told Andrew Marr...."
Andrew Marr hosts a weekly Sunday show that appear on BBC One.
If Farage had made these statements to Andrew Marr on his BBC show, then there would likely be a You Tube video of them.
There might be a writeup on the BBC website with these quotes.

But there are no such videos; there are no such articles on the BBC website, or any other website, except for the Newsthump's article.
This leads me to believe that Farage never said these things.

Let's try this test with another quote:

Quote:
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.


How many matches does Google have for that quote?
Google shows 182,000 matches.

How many video matches does Google have for that quote?
"About 3,480" matches

OK, I can find that quote on a multitude of different website site, and can see thousands of videos with Martin Luther King Jr stating that quote.

Therefore, I believe that this was a quote that was actually said by MLK jr.

Let's try this test again with another quote:. But this time, lets use a much more obscure quote:

Quote:
Officers don't run, only corporals do that


How many matches does Google have for this quote?
Google shows 141 matches for this quote (much fewer than MLK Jr's quote).
But this quote appears 141 on numerous different websites.

This would lead me to believe that this was an actual quote from the person who said it.

(I am guessing that Nero might have previously heard or read this quote himself. For those that have not, simply google the quote).

So again Nero, you asked "What untruths you found in the satire article?"

Just to be sure that we are on the same page here, let's set out what the definition of the word "untruth" is:

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noun, plural untruths [uhn-trooth z, -trooths] (Show IPA)
1.
the state or character of being untrue.
2.
want of veracity; divergence from truth.
3.
something untrue; a falsehood or lie.
Synonyms: fiction, story, tale, fabrication, invention.
4.
Archaic. unfaithfulness; disloyalty.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/untruth

So do the alleged quotes from Farage in the article meet the definition of being an "untruth"?
Are the quotes a falsehood or a lie?
Yes, because Farage never said them.

Are the quotes a fabrication?
Yes, because he never said them and Newsthump made them up.

Did Newsthump invent these quotes?
Yes, Farage never said them yet the Newsthump article states that Farage did say them.

Do I hold Newsthump responsible for fabricating the quotes?
No, because they are a humor and satire website. They were intentionally made up to be humorous or satirical.

Anyone (well almost anyone) should be able to tell from looking at any of the articles on that website, they are made up.

To conclude this, I will see your :roll: and I will raise you one :roll: :roll:

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