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 Post subject: Re: Labour in Fresh Anti-Semitism Row
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I get the impression that the hatred of Jews expressed by the "Labour Party" is primarily a function of pandering to the Muslims?


Not sure about that.

From what I understand, Corbin has some history, going way back, of hanging of with Arab/Muslim terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

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And before Nero calls the "Race and Faith Manifesto" a hoax you can read if for yourself here:

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upload ... o-2019.pdf

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Corbyn is/was the last chance for the Labour to remain a key party in the British political world. That is because he is a real leftist, and not a LINO like the Blairists.
If I am not wrong, he will resign if he loses the election. If the Labour does not choose a successor having the same political ideas, it will be the end of the Labour party. That is what is happening to the other social democrat parties in Europe, some of the them are disappearing like the SPD in Germany, and others don't almost exist any more, like the Socialist party in France. Why? Because those parties conducted a neo-liberal policy when they had the power.


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Corbyn is/was the last chance for the Labour to remain a key party in the British political world. That is because he is a real leftist, and not a LINO like the Blairists.
If I am not wrong, he will resign if he loses the election. If the Labour does not choose a successor having the same political ideas, it will be the end of the Labour party. That is what is happening to the other social democrat parties in Europe, some of the them are disappearing like the SPD in Germany, and others don't almost exist any more, like the Socialist party in France. Why? Because those parties conducted a neo-liberal policy when they had the power.

Corbyn is a lefty indeed. And hence his ideas that natural monopolies should be publicly owned, like railways and water supply. I can naturally agree with that.

But I have not closely followed this antisemitism issue, Has he criticized Israel's colonization policies or what?

I agree that social democratic parties are having problems in all Europe. It is partly because they have been so successful, everything they thrived 100 years ago is achieved; 8 hour work day, healthcare, education and whatever is reality. They have lost their purpose, they have no agenda what next. When the people already have it, why vote for them relics.

But most importantly those parties have not formed a strategy for this globalization thing. Though I don't think that solution is closing the borders and have more tariffs.

In Finland I see labour union backed social democrats having problems, they are tied in the past.

Some new ideas are needed, the idea for the next 100 years. But I am certain that it is not any right wing populist movement looking back in distant imaginary past.

In the slave societies the slave owners did not work, in the future there are robots to do the work. But who owns the robots? Should robots be taxed to support people who have no work no more?

But But for you myPal, I say LePen is not the answer. ;)

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Corbyn is a lefty indeed. And hence his ideas that natural monopolies should be publicly owned, like railways and water supply. I can naturally agree with that.

But I have not closely followed this antisemitism issue, Has he criticized Israel's colonization policies or what?

I agree that social democratic parties are having problems in all Europe. It is partly because they have been so successful, everything they thrived 100 years ago is achieved; 8 hour work day, healthcare, education and whatever is reality. They have lost their purpose, they have no agenda what next. When the people already have it, why vote for them relics.

If we can thanks the social democrats for many social progress in the past, their parties participated in the dismantling of those advances in the last 30 or 20 years. For example there are the job laws taken by Schroder in Germany in the beginning of the 2000's, the Hartz laws. Or Blair in Great Britain increasing the fee for the universities. That is why a good part of the middle class and the popular class don't vote for them anymore.

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But most importantly those parties have not formed a strategy for this globalization thing. Though I don't think that solution is closing the borders and have more tariffs.

In Finland I see labour union backed social democrats having problems, they are tied in the past.

Some new ideas are needed, the idea for the next 100 years. But I am certain that it is not any right wing populist movement looking back in distant imaginary past.

In the slave societies the slave owners did not work, in the future there are robots to do the work. But who owns the robots? Should robots be taxed to support people who have no work no more?

But But for you myPal, I say LePen is not the answer. ;)

No, Le Pen is not the answer, and I will never vote for her or for her party. And about the robots, of course that they must be taxed. That is the story of Mc Donnald's which want to replace its cashiers by robots. The problem is who is going to buy their products if nobody receives a wage anymore.


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LaPalice wrote:
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Corbyn is a lefty indeed. And hence his ideas that natural monopolies should be publicly owned, like railways and water supply. I can naturally agree with that.

But I have not closely followed this antisemitism issue, Has he criticized Israel's colonization policies or what?

I agree that social democratic parties are having problems in all Europe. It is partly because they have been so successful, everything they thrived 100 years ago is achieved; 8 hour work day, healthcare, education and whatever is reality. They have lost their purpose, they have no agenda what next. When the people already have it, why vote for them relics.

If we can thanks the social democrats for many social progress in the past, their parties participated in the dismantling of those advances in the last 30 or 20 years. For example there are the job laws taken by Schroder in Germany in the beginning of the 2000's, the Hartz laws. Or Blair in Great Britain increasing the fee for the universities. That is why a good part of the middle class and the popular class don't vote for them anymore.

Imagine the Hartz reforms done by conservatives? :shock:

Anyway it was a shotgun shot on own foot for the SPD.

But the fact is that the conservatives do it much worse, like this austerity, when economy is down, cut public spending. :roll:


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But most importantly those parties have not formed a strategy for this globalization thing. Though I don't think that solution is closing the borders and have more tariffs.

In Finland I see labour union backed social democrats having problems, they are tied in the past.

Some new ideas are needed, the idea for the next 100 years. But I am certain that it is not any right wing populist movement looking back in distant imaginary past.

In the slave societies the slave owners did not work, in the future there are robots to do the work. But who owns the robots? Should robots be taxed to support people who have no work no more?

But But for you myPal, I say LePen is not the answer. ;)

No, Le Pen is not the answer, and I will never vote for her or for her party. And about the robots, of course that they must be taxed. That is the story of Mc Donnald's which want to replace its cashiers by robots. The problem is who is going to buy their products if nobody receives a wage anymore.

In Thomas More's Utopia people did not have work more than six hours a day. With robots and machine learning it could be much less.

The other thing to address is the population on the Earth, is it necessary to have so many people around? The population of Africa is projected to increase from the current 1 milliard to 4 milliard during this century. And the climate change is more likely to decrease the food supply there. You see the picture.

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I don't what know how you think about the climate change, but one degree in Paris is two degrees in Helsinki. The is no snow to ski, perkele. :twisted:

There big questions, be the answer is not that this is vjo normalno.

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The social democrat parties and the conservative ones follow the same policy: there is no alternative. Corbyn was the last chance for the British to have a policy for the middle and popular classes. But he will lose the elections, certainly because he wanted to spare the blairists. Corbyn, like those who voted for him, are for the Brexit, but Corbyn was to affraid to claim it openly.

The problem of the Labour is that the members of the party are for the remain when those who vote for the Labour are for the leave. I predict that it will follow the same path as the other social democrat parties in Europe.


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LaPalice wrote:
The social democrat parties and the conservative ones follow the same policy: there is no alternative. Corbyn was the last chance for the British to have a policy for the middle and popular classes. But he will lose the elections, certainly because he wanted to spare the blairists. Corbyn, like those who voted for him, are for the Brexit, but Corbyn was to affraid to claim it openly.

The problem of the Labour is that the members of the party are for the remain when those who vote for the Labour are for the leave. I predict that it will follow the same path as the other social democrat parties in Europe.

The problem is not with Corbyn and Bliar, but austerity Cameron and now sell out NHS, brexit Boris. :twisted:

But it is what Corbyn wants, after a Tory brexit from ruins and ashes rises Phoenix Jeremy.

But I don't understand the to destroy everything to build something new. :(

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LaPalice wrote:
The social democrat parties and the conservative ones follow the same policy: there is no alternative. Corbyn was the last chance for the British to have a policy for the middle and popular classes. But he will lose the elections, certainly because he wanted to spare the blairists. Corbyn, like those who voted for him, are for the Brexit, but Corbyn was to affraid to claim it openly.

The problem of the Labour is that the members of the party are for the remain when those who vote for the Labour are for the leave. I predict that it will follow the same path as the other social democrat parties in Europe.

The problem is not with Corbyn and Bliar, but austerity Cameron and now sell out NHS, brexit Boris. :twisted:

But it is what Corbyn wants, after a Tory brexit from ruins and ashes rises Phoenix Jeremy.

But I don't understand the to destroy everything to build something new. :(

I have no problem with Cameron. He is a conservative and he follow the policy for what he is elected. It is democracy. If people choose Cameron, it is normal that they have a conservative policy. Again, that is democracy. The problem is when a left party, like the Labour under Blair and Cameron, follow a conservative policy. It is a treason.

Here an interesting quote: In 2002, twelve years after Margaret Thatcher left office, she was asked at a dinner what was her greatest achievement. Thatcher replied: “Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds.”


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The problem is not with Corbyn and Bliar, but austerity Cameron and now sell out NHS, brexit Boris. :twisted:

But it is what Corbyn wants, after a Tory brexit from ruins and ashes rises Phoenix Jeremy.

But I don't understand the to destroy everything to build something new. :(

I have no problem with Cameron. He is a conservative and he follow the policy for what he is elected. It is democracy. If people choose Cameron, it is normal that they have a conservative policy. Again, that is democracy. The problem is when a left party, like the Labour under Blair and Cameron, follow a conservative policy. It is a treason.

Here an interesting quote: In 2002, twelve years after Margaret Thatcher left office, she was asked at a dinner what was her greatest achievement. Thatcher replied: “Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds.”

You blame Bliar and have nothing against Cameron. :o

He cut education, he cut NHS and he cut police force. And the is special thread about this police thing here. But nobody is blaming the culprit.

These austerity policies helped the brexit agenda a lot, the foreigners are taking our schools the foreigners are taking our healthcare. But it was just propaganda, just because the EU immigrants are 20-40 years old single people who don't tax healthcare or schools, but pay taxes. Just propaganda.

Fuck that, fuck brexit.

But when the Brits crawl back, there will be no rebate, and in Schengen they are. And in Euro too. :lol:

When Germany++ is not enough.

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