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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:48 am 
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Ha, Juncker isn't nearly that nice.

Nice to see an elected politician sitting across the table from two appointees though, the EU at work.

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:30 am 
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EUBanana wrote:
Ha, Juncker isn't nearly that nice.

Nice to see an elected politician sitting across the table from two appointees though, the EU at work.

Indeed.

But there is no reason to be. May did all by herself. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:52 am 
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I suspect many in the middle and even on "the right" will agree with you Nero. Calling an election when she did struck me as a real gamble all along, and it probably will prove to have been political suicide on her part.

On the other hand: the "right" now have a very clear, accurate and reasonably precise estimate of where they stand vis a vis public attitude in Britain . . .or at least in so far as the results of the most recent election do not fall outside the margin of error of any such elections over time. Because, lets face it: if we had a perfect computer simulation of a democratic society, and we ran the SAME election on the exact same date/time, the results would vary and in some cases so much as to result in different power shifts.

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:14 pm 
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I suspect many in the middle and even on "the right" will agree with you Nero. Calling an election when she did struck me as a real gamble all along, and it probably will prove to have been political suicide on her part.

On the other hand: the "right" now have a very clear, accurate and reasonably precise estimate of where they stand vis a vis public attitude in Britain . . .or at least in so far as the results of the most recent election do not fall outside the margin of error of any such elections over time. Because, lets face it: if we had a perfect computer simulation of a democratic society, and we ran the SAME election on the exact same date/time, the results would vary and in some cases so much as to result in different power shifts.

Actually the timing was perfect for the election. But it was the May's disastrous campaign that decided. A one armed, blind chimpanzee should have beaten Corbyn's Labour.

It is all May's fault. Like brexit was Cameron's fault.

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
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nero wrote:
Like brexit was Cameron's fault.


God forbid the plebs get to have a say on anything!

Hardly a failure, rather, a triumph.

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
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So are there REALLY that many swing voters who changed their minds based on what May's campaign did?

That may be true, but I am skeptical.

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
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So are there REALLY that many swing voters who changed their minds based on what May's campaign did?

That may be true, but I am skeptical.


The polling was actually pretty accurate in the end result. Who knows whether the 20 point lead earlier on was accurate, but same methodology.

One thing to bear in mind is, in terms of vote share, May actually did extremely well. The Tories got 42% of the vote. To put that into context, Tony Blair's landslide in 1997 was 43% of the vote.

The thing is, Corbyn did extremely well too.

As far as government is concerned, well, with the DUP, essentially May lost 12 Tories, who may have been lefty wets, and gained 10 DUP MPs in exchange, who are uber-right wing Northern Ireland nutters. Her precariousness means the eurosceptic MPs in her party can kick her out at any time - they've already threatened her once. Tory backbenchers told her to fire her useless advisers, her useless advisers were fired that very day.

TBH there's a lot of good in the outcome, from my PoV.

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
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Will the outcome solidify or fuzzify the commitment to implement BrExit. That is the question. The World Wonders !!! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
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EUBanana wrote:
nero wrote:
Like brexit was Cameron's fault.


God forbid the plebs get to have a say on anything!
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I was thinking that there were election. Silly me.

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Hardly a failure, rather, a triumph.

Test of time.

But then more seriously, there are millions of EU citizens in the UK, and millions Britons in EU countries. Like thousands of Finnish nurses working in British hospitals. Do you want kick them out?

Just curious. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Snap Election!
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No.

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