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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:06 pm 
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Hey Nero, FUCK OFF! You're opinion about the affairs of Great Britain is invalidated by the fact that you are a twit! :P

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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Hey Nero, FUCK OFF! You're opinion about the affairs of Great Britain is invalidated by the fact that you are a twit! :P

Tsat tsat, so not.

We are still in the same union.

You FUCK OFF, you had your tax mutiny more that two centuries ago.

Keep your fat mussolini and your fake bible if you can. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:13 am 
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No deal is a popular outcome at the moment.

And the EU will have properly burned the bridge. They will be hated. Really hated.

So. Seems like it should be welcomed to me. Might piss off a few London businessmen.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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Freedom of speech and democracy are not synonym with European Union. And Juncker thinks that if the Commission had intervened in the brexit referendum, it could have influenced it. to the benefit of the leave, of course, contrary to what he thinks.

EU chief Juncker says 'press freedom has limits', in attack on British media

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European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has insisted there must be limits to the freedom of the press, accusing British media of breaching politicians’ human rights.

He went on to claim the EU could have swung the Brexit referendum in favour of Remain if David Cameron had not prevented it from intervening in the 2016 campaign over membership.

Mr Juncker, whose enjoyment of alcohol has often been referred to in the media, was scathing about UK press coverage of him, suggesting it violated his rights.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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Of course Juncker wants to places limits to the freedom of the press...


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“The organization of our press has truly been a success. Our law concerning the press is such that
divergences of opinion between members of the government are no longer an occasion for public
exhibitions, which are not the newspapers’ business. We’ve eliminated that conception of
political freedom which holds that everybody has the right to say whatever comes into his head.”
---Adolf Hitler

http://dangerousintersection.org/2012/0 ... the-press/

Regarding that organization of the press in Nazi Germany:

Free Speech and the Nazi Press
John A. Hess
The German Quarterly
Vol. 11, No. 4, Part 1 (Nov., 1938), pp. 191-195

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"Newspapers that violate the common good should be forbidden", so says Juncker, I mean Dr. Six.

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The German press was to be "united to and obligated to the people" (of course with Herr Goebbels and his Reichsministy to decide exactly what that meant).

Dr. Six declares that the German press is not "...marred with the unfounded rumors that clutter up newspapers of other nations...".
Why do I have the feeling the Herr Juncker would feel right at home with such a statement.

You can read the entire article at https://www.jstor.org/stable/399995?seq ... b_contents if you have registered at the website.
Some articles require you to pay but my understanding is that you can read up to 6 of their article per month for free.

Again, do remember that this article was originally published in 1938.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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No deal is a popular outcome at the moment.
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And the crowd cheered when Goebbels asked do you total war. :roll:

But I don't think this over the cliff plan is so popular at all.

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Of course Juncker wants to places limits to the freedom of the press...
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Now are extrapolating way to far. :lol:

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Of course Juncker wants to places limits to the freedom of the press...
...

Now are extrapolating way to far. :lol:



It's all about incrementalism my friend.

Place a 'small' restriction on it at first, and then soon someone wants more restrictions. Since you already made it acceptable to silence some (people or media), it becomes easier to silence more people each time that you do so.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:00 pm 
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nero wrote:
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Now are extrapolating way to far. :lol:



It's all about incrementalism my friend.

Place a 'small' restriction on it at first, and then soon someone wants more restrictions. Since you already made it acceptable to silence some (people or media), it becomes easier to silence more people each time that you do so.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

It is all about spreading lies. There is difference with Trump and Juncker.

Trump calls facts as lies and press the enemy of the people. Pretty Hitlerish...

Juncker calls lies as lies and is right.

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And so many more lies.

In Britain most of the press lies, in the US the president is serial liar.

O tempora, o mores. :roll:

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It is all about spreading lies. There is difference with Trump and Juncker.

Trump calls facts as lies and press the enemy of the people. Pretty Hitlerish...

Juncker calls lies as lies and is right.





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Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.
---Thomas Jefferson


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I am… for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents.
---Thomas Jefferson


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Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.
---Benjamin Franklin


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The freedom of the press should be inviolate.
---John Quincy Adams


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“When the public’s right to know is threatened, and when the rights of free speech and free press are at risk, all of the other liberties we hold dear are endangered.”
--– Christopher Dodd


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“Freedom of conscience, of education, of speech, of assembly are among the very fundamentals of democracy and all of them would be nullified should freedom of the press ever be successfully challenged.”
--– FDR


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Freedom of expression – in particular, freedom of the press – guarantees popular participation in the decisions and actions of government, and popular participation is the essence of our democracy.
-- Corazon Aquino


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“A free press can be good or bad, but, most certainly, without freedom a press will never be anything but bad.”
--– Albert Camus


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“The liberty of the press is indeed essential to the nature of a free state: but this consists in laying no previous restraints upon publications, and not in freedom from censure for criminal matter when published. Every freeman has an undoubted right to lay what sentiments he pleases before the public: to forbid this, is to destroy the freedom of the press: but if he publishes what is improper, mischievous, or illegal, he must take the consequence of his own temerity.”
― William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, Volume 4: A Facsimile of the First Edition of 1765-1769


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“I am sure because I am confident in the idea of the United States of America. I believe that the combination of checks and balances and a free press and our democratically elected representatives will expose charlatans. I believe in the good sense of the American people, and I know in my soul that truth will win out.”
― Jake Tapper, The Hellfire Club


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“Freedom of the Press, if it means anything at all, means the freedom to criticize and oppose”
― George Orwell


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“Let every writer tell his own lies. That's freedom of the press.”
― Norman Mailer, Deaths For The Ladies


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It is all about spreading lies. There is difference with Trump and Juncker.


In a country with a free press, you are able to publish your stories, in order to counter the statements (or lies) of the other.
If you think that the other party is spreading lies, or is simply wrong in their opinion, then you counter that by publishing your viewpoint. You do not do that by silencing others or by limiting the right of others to freedom of the press even just a little.


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Trump calls facts as lies and press the enemy of the people. Pretty Hitlerish...


Trump can calls facts as lies (or lies as facts), but the press in the United States has the ability to counter that by publishing their side of it (or the facts).
Last time I checked, their was no lack of opportunity for the press to do so. :lol:

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Pretty Hitlerish

Trump simply criticizes the press.
Juncker on the other hand is the one calling for limits on the press.
Which of the two is more 'Hilterish'?

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Juncker calls lies as lies and is right


I believe that under the laws of the EU, and its constituent countries, Junckers has the right to say that.
It's when he implies that there should be limits to the press is where he is wrong IMHO.

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