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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:46 am 
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Hopefully that means that, after May (the modern day analogue of Chamberlain) you (we!) get a modern day analogue of Churchill!?!

Lib Dem MP Layla Moran has called Johnson a "poundshop Churchill impressionist" and Rees-Mogg is saying that he would make a "brillant" PM...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ister.html

Prime Minster Boris Johnson. Now that would really piss up nero's kilt. :lol:

If I were a football, I would't be coming home any time soon. Considering what is happening in the UK.


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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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Prime Minster Boris Johnson.


Lots of folks looked in his direction right from the start. But I do believe he has a major scandal in his personal life (an affair with child) that prevented him from becoming PM.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:18 am 
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Boris is hated by his own party. He's a bit of a slimeball too, but that's nothing compared to being hated by his own party - he's just not going to win any votes to be made leader.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:30 pm 
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Two more quit their posts...

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Two vice chairs of the Conservative Party, Maria Caulfield and Ben Bradley, are quitting their posts in protest at Theresa May's Chequers Brexit compromise plan.

Both have warned they will lose their seats unless the Tories deliver Brexit.

Ms Caulfield told Mrs May the plan would be "bad for our country and bad for the party".

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson and Brexit Secretary David Davis have already quit over the proposals.

Ms Caulfield, who was vice chairwoman for women, supported Leave in the EU referendum. Mr Bradley - who backed Remain - had a brief trying to appeal to young voters. The Conservatives have nine vice chairmen in total, appointed in January's reshuffle.

In her resignation letter to Mrs May, Ms Caulfield said the proposed trading relationship with the EU did not "fully embrace the opportunities that Brexit can provide".

Mr Bradley said he could not "with any sincerity defend this course" to voters in his Leave-backing constituency of Mansfield.

He criticised the decision to adopt a "backstop" position on customs to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44785797

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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Seems reasonably ballsy of these folks. Quitting your job as a way to protest your leadership might not be like storming the beaches of Normandy to free Europe from tyranny, but it also isn't exactly an exemplar of self-serving behavior; in contrast to May's insistence on placing her cronyism in priority to her obligation to the people she represents.

Britons voted for Brexit. Give the people you represent what they fucking voted for; or step aside and let someone who WILL do it lead.

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I'm missing something. Why "negotiate" with the EU at all? So far they've demanded what... a huge cash bribe, and concessions that obviate any real "exit" at all?

What happens if the UK tells the EU to FOAD. No concessions, no money transfers, no bribes?

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I'm missing something. Why "negotiate" with the EU at all? So far they've demanded what... a huge cash bribe, and concessions that obviate any real "exit" at all?

What happens if the UK tells the EU to FOAD. No concessions, no money transfers, no bribes?


According to the Remainers - who run the country, and perhaps more importantly the media - hell on earth. Cats and dogs living together, imports and exports would be completely barred, every African migrant will be storming across the Northern Irish border (?!??!), etc.

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... what will actually happen?

A reversion to WTO / GATT rules, until freer trade than the WTO baseline can be arranged. In theory very little.

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So, basically the EU would treat the UK the way it treats the USA? All the protectionism that the EU can squeeze into the gaps in the WTO rules at least for the 15 years it takes for the WTO to rule against them and for the appeals to run their course?

This could be a seed for a REAL transatlantic "alliance" rather than the nudge-nudge wink-wink bullshit exercise in unilateral wealth transfer from the US to the EU that is in place at present.

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