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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:56 pm 
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However, it wasn't talking about t hat was it. It even says they can be selected by party list.

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EUBanana wrote:
However, it wasn't talking about t hat was it. It even says they can be selected by party list.

The party list can be very short, only one candidate. A helicopter drop candidate.

But then how many times you have had a candidate who actually represents your way of thinking has been selected to Parliament? :lol:

Pretty close to zero, I guess.

OTOH with party lists, we in Finland have a system where candidates in the party list are going through by number of votes they get, not the order in the list that party decides.

There is a big difference. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Some question dodging here. Is this Nero’s holocaust denial topic?

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Some question dodging here. Is this Nero’s holocaust denial topic?

What question I was dodging? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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Soros does only not intervene in Eastern Europe, he is on all the fronts.

George Soros, the man who 'broke the Bank of England', backing secret plot to thwart Brexit

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George Soros, the billionaire known as the man who “broke the Bank of England”, is backing a campaign to overturn Brexit, the Telegraph can disclose.

The investor is one of three senior figures linked to the Remain-supporting campaign group Best for Britain who plan to launch a nationwide advertising campaign this month, which they hope will lead to a second referendum to keep Britain in the EU.

The campaign is trying to recruit major Tory donors in an attempt to undermine Theresa May.

It also plans to target MPs and convince them to vote against the final Brexit deal to trigger another referendum or general election, according to a strategy document leaked from a meeting of the group.

The document says the campaign, which will begin by the end of this month, must “wake the country up and assert that Brexit is not a done deal. That it’s not too late to stop Brexit”.

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Soros is a slimeball

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -vfwcfswdc

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We will use sanctions to punish you, says Brussels

EU demands unilateral powers during transition


Bruno Waterfield, Brussels | Oliver Wright | John Walsh
February 7 2018, 12:00pm,
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Brussels is demanding that Theresa May submit to powers allowing the European Union to ground flights, suspend single market access and impose trade tariffs on the UK during the Brexit transition period.

Under the proposals, the EU would have unprecedented legal powers — without the oversight of European courts — to punish Britain unilaterally if it breached the terms of the transition.

The prime minister has also been warned by Brussels that she must make a legal commitment to prevent a hard border in Northern Ireland within weeks or the EU will “stall” Brexit trade and transition talks. Both issues are expected to be discussed by ministers this afternoon when the cabinet’s Brexit sub-committee meets to try to reach agreement on the next stage of negotiations.

Today’s session is due to tackle the Irish question and immigration. Ministers will meet again tomorrow to discuss the future trade relationship with the EU.

Speaking before the meeting, Greg Clark, the business secretary, played down expectations of agreeing a position this week.


“We’ve got a series of meetings to make sure the end state that we want to negotiate, which requires agreement from the counter parties, meets our objectives – that we can continue to thrive, that we can continue to trade without tariffs, with the minimum of frictions,” he said.

“That’s what business wants and needs. That is what the purpose of this discussion is.”

The five-page legal text drafted by the European Commission and seen by The Times yesterday will infuriate Tory backbenchers who regard transition arrangements as reducing Britain to a “vassal state” after Brexit. The text calls for “a mechanism allowing the union to suspend certain benefits deriving for the UK from participation in the internal market where it considers that referring the matter to Court of Justice of the EU would not bring in appropriate time the necessary remedies”.

The proposal for draconian enforcement powers, which would risk causing a trade war between the EU and Britain, illustrates the mistrust between the government and European states.

Referred to as the “nuclear option”, the punishment mechanism could lead to UK aircraft being grounded on runways by suspending take-off and landing aviation rights over the EU’s “single sky” airspace. Exports from Britain to the EU could be hit by tariffs, damaging the economy and probably leading to tit-for-tat British trade measures. Long queues could form at ports as EU customs checks hit trade, and the City could find itself blocked from Europe’s financial markets.

The enforcement clause would be triggered if the UK breached a “sincere co-operation” principle, to be included in the final withdrawal treaty, by taking “any action or initiative which is likely to be prejudicial to the union’s interests”. This could include Britain doing trade deals with non-EU states, subsidising certain industries or giving tax breaks to economic sectors during the transition period, which is expected to last two years from March 2019 but could be extended.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Tory MP for North East Somerset and chairman of the European Research Group of backbenchers, said: “Thank heavens we are leaving an organisation that takes such an aggressive stance when you don’t do what you are told.”

The Tory MP Bernard Jenkin, another prominent Brexiteer, said the EU would not impose tariffs after Brexit, telling the BBC Radio 4 Today programme that it would be “utterly perverse … I don’t think they would be so destructive to do that”.

Mrs May has also been told that she must make a firm legal commitment to protect the integrity of the Good Friday agreement before the EU will agree a transition deal. The ultimatum threatens to break December’s political compromise on the Irish border. The Democratic Unionist Party, on which the Conservatives rely for their Commons majority, said that any such commitment by Mrs May would “not be acceptable at all”. Jeffrey Donaldson, the DUP’s chief whip, said: “We cannot be giving them any kind of commitment until we know what a final deal looks like.” A senior government source described the new EU demands as “very problematic”.

An agreement to prevent a hard border in Ireland could mean that Northern Ireland, in effect, stays in the EU single market and customs union with regulatory alignment after Brexit, while the rest of the UK diverges. This is opposed by the DUP and hard Brexiteers on the Tory back benches who want full sovereignty to be returned to the whole of the UK.

The hardline approach to Ireland was agreed behind closed doors by European ambassadors at the end of last month at the behest of the German and Irish governments, which were concerned that Mrs May was backsliding on the December deal under pressure from Eurosceptic ministers and backbenchers. “We need to put the Irish fallback solution into legal text before we can make progress,” a senior EU source told The Times. “If not, work on the transition and future relationship will stall.” A senior Whitehall figure said that the problem was intractable.

Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, is thought to be planning on Valentine’s Day to make a speech on Britain after Brexit. The Huffington Post cited Whitehall sources as saying that he would deliver a “unifying” address, appealing to Remain and Leave voters.

Giving evidence to the Commons yesterday, Sir Simon Fraser, the former Foreign Office permanent secretary, called Brexit “a strategic error that will be deleterious to this country”.

BORDERING ON A DEAL (OR NOT)
Regulatory alignment
In December’s talks, Britain came up with a diplomatic fudge to move on to the second phase. The EU and the UK agreed to “avoid regulatory divergence” between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after Brexit, specifically on rules that support north-south co-operation and protect the peace process. This suggests freedom for the UK to write regulations on, for example, banking and pharmaceuticals, while in effect adopting EU rules in sectors such as agriculture and energy. The DUP insists that any alignment agreed for Northern Ireland must apply to the whole of the UK, but agreeing to apply EU rules without a say in them is anathema to Brexiteers and would hinder the ability to strike new trade deals.

Customs union/arrangement/partnership
The other problem is tariffs. If the UK stayed in a customs union with the EU, it would set the same tariffs as the EU on global imports, removing the need for some checks on the Irish border but block the ability to make trade deals. Theresa May ruled this out this week, but there are options, including keeping elements of a customs union, such as mirroring EU requirements for imports from the rest of the world where their final destination is the EU. This might help the Irish problem but Brexiteers are sceptical.

Technological fixes
If Britain leaves the customs union, the EU would insist on new customs procedures. The government has mooted a virtual border, where goods would be tracked using cameras and any duties paid remotely. Dublin and Brussels consider this unworkable.

Sea border
Last summer, the Irish government pushed for customs and immigration checks to be moved away from the land border and placed at ports and airports. The government and the DUP reject this.


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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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So the divorce is turning from a conflict-plagued separation into an actual cultural/economic war. Sauce for the goose I suspect. As Princess Leia said, "The more you tight your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." "Going on the offensive" is likely to backfire for Soros and his Undead Remainer Army.

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EUBanana wrote:
Some question dodging here. Is this Nero’s holocaust denial topic?

What question I was dodging? :roll:


That the government should be broadly reflective of the views of the plebs.

Demos = people, Kratos = rule

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:26 am 
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And yes, anybody pro-EU, anywhere, needs their head read. Acting like undemocratic tyrants? Quelle surprise! Why do you think I've always held them in the lowest regard?

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