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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:41 am 
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Jo Swinson: "I will not accept ANY referendum vote unless the result is Remain---the voters be damned"

Spoken like a true Europhile.

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Spoken like a true Europhile.


Europhile parties are always named for the opposite of what they want to do.

Liberal Democrats = Illiberal Antidemocrats
Change UK = Status Quo UK

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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trumpf wants to trade with the UK (when UK are allowed) :) ??

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US President Donald Trump has said talks about a "very substantial" trade deal with the UK are under way.

He said a bilateral post-Brexit deal could lead to a "three to four, five times" increase in current trade.

There are no details about how this would be achieved.

After a phone call with Boris Johnson on Friday, Mr Trump said the new prime minister would be "great". He added US-UK trade had previously been "impeded" by Britain's membership of the EU.

Once the UK leaves, he said, the UK can expect to do "much more" trade with the US, he said.

Mr Johnson and Mr Trump said they would begin formal negotiations "as soon as possible" after the UK leaves the EU.

While the UK is in the EU, it cannot sign its own trade deals. Brexit is due to happen on 31 October.

What is a trade deal?

Trade deals involve two or more countries agreeing a set of terms by which they buy and sell goods and services from each other.

Deals are designed to increase trade by eliminating or reducing trade barriers. These barriers might include import or export taxes (tariffs), quotas, or differing regulations on things such as safety or labelling.

Why don't the US and UK already have a trade deal?

In short, because the US and EU do not have one.

The EU customs union forbids members negotiating trade agreements separately from the EU. Instead, trade agreements are negotiated collectively.

In 2013, under resident hussein, the US and the EU launched a programme of negotiations known as the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, or TTIP.

That proposed trade agreement was put on hold by the US after Mr Trump was elected as president, but the EU has approved new talks.

How long could a US-UK trade deal take to agree?

A trade deal between the EU and a bloc of South American countries, including Brazil, took 20 years to finalise

The EU-Canada agreement - which removed 99% of tariffs - was seven years in the making, while the EU-South America deal agreed in June took 20 years to negotiate.

The EU and US have been having a stop-start conversation about trade for years but a fresh round of formal talks were only recently approved by the EU.

So even though both Mr Trump and Mr Johnson seem keen to do a deal, it could still take years, although - in theory - it is easier to negotiate with one country than a multi-national bloc.

hussein said in 2016 a UK-US trade deal could take 10 years to negotiate if the UK left the EU.

How much is US-UK trade worth at the moment?

The US is a major trade and investment partner for the UK - by some measures the biggest of all.

According to the Office for National Statistics' latest available figures, the US (including Puerto Rico) is our top trading partner.


UK says it won't cut food standards for US

Total trade (imports and exports) between the UK and US was worth £183.2bn in 2017, which made up 14.6% of total UK trade.

The Office of the United States Trade Representative estimated the total trade figure for 2018 at $262.3bn (£211.9bn).

The US Chamber of Commerce says the UK is the US' seventh largest trading partner and the fourth largest export destination for American goods and services.

What trade deals has the UK done so far?

The UK-Swiss agreement signed in February also applies to neighbouring Liechtenstein

As a member of the EU, the UK is part of about 40 trade agreements the EU has with more than 70 countries.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal it would lose these trade deals immediately - worth about 11% of total UK trade.

So far the UK has agreed "continuity" deals with 12 countries and regions: Central America, Andean countries, Norway and Iceland, Caribbean countries, Pacific Islands, Liechtenstein , Israel, Palestinian Authority, Switzerland, the Faroe Islands, Eastern and Southern Africa and Chile.

These areas account for 64% of trade currently covered by EU agreements for which the UK is seeking continuity, the government says. The agreements mostly replicate EU trade deals.

In addition, the UK has also announced a deal in principle with South Korea, which is "expected to be signed shortly".

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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chijohnaok wrote:


Translation:
Jo Swinson: "I will not accept ANY referendum vote unless the result is Remain---the voters be damned"

Spoken like a true Europhile.


I suppose if you follow the puppet strings, you will find that New Totalitarians like Ms. Swinson are ultimately more beholden to powerful moneyed interests of a potentially broad identity spectrum (Scottish, English, European, etc.) than she is to either the people who voted for her, the people in her district(s), or the people of her country more generally.

This is a tipping point in world history and it is no surprise given how financial and corporate transnational power has evolved since the early 1800s. At the beginning of that cycle, such extravagant power as is enjoyed by potentates like Soros, etc., was generally only in the hands of rulers, and indeed only in the hands of unelected rulers, Monarchs and the like. Now, we have individuals, or else small oligarchs of individuals in the form of board members of major transnational firms who literally have more power through their wealth and ability to evade legal oversight under their "transnational" status than was generally enjoyed by most rulers in 1800. They strive to control the world for their own agendas and they strive to do so through the purchasing of patron status for client "elected" politicians, as well as various financial enterprises which augment those totalitarian efforts.

Noam Chimpsky is generally crazy as fuck, but on this topic, at least as it pertains to the hyper-rich power players he is correct. Shame that more of them don't take a lesson from Bill and Melinda Gates and literally just try to HELP the fucking world instead of control it and shape it in the way they deem fit.

We've gained so much in the past ~220 years of world history, great personal freedoms, health, knowledge, liberty . . . but these have also allowed the rise of the New Totalitarian Powerlord class of villain and the various "political" and religious movements that follow them, the New Totalitarian Tribes.

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Anthropoid wrote:

I suppose if you follow the puppet strings, you will find that New Totalitarians like Ms. Swinson are ultimately more beholden to powerful moneyed interests of a potentially broad identity spectrum (Scottish, English, European, etc.) than she is to either the people who voted for her, the people in her district(s), or the people of her country more generally.

This is a tipping point in world history and it is no surprise given how financial and corporate transnational power has evolved since the early 1800s. At the beginning of that cycle, such extravagant power as is enjoyed by potentates like Soros, etc., was generally only in the hands of rulers, and indeed only in the hands of unelected rulers, Monarchs and the like. Now, we have individuals, or else small oligarchs of individuals in the form of board members of major transnational firms who literally have more power through their wealth and ability to evade legal oversight under their "transnational" status than was generally enjoyed by most rulers in 1800. They strive to control the world for their own agendas and they strive to do so through the purchasing of patron status for client "elected" politicians, as well as various financial enterprises which augment those totalitarian efforts.

Noam Chimpsky is generally crazy as fuck, but on this topic, at least as it pertains to the hyper-rich power players he is correct. Shame that more of them don't take a lesson from Bill and Melinda Gates and literally just try to HELP the fucking world instead of control it and shape it in the way they deem fit.

We've gained so much in the past ~220 years of world history, great personal freedoms, health, knowledge, liberty . . . but these have also allowed the rise of the New Totalitarian Powerlord class of villain and the various "political" and religious movements that follow them, the New Totalitarian Tribes.

Emmanuel Todd, a French demographer and historian, has an interesting theory.

If in the 20th Century, the Western world knew a high level of freedom and equality, it is because the great majority of the population had the same level of education, more or less at the middle school and the high school.

But from the 70's that equality in education started to disappear, as a strong minority of the population had a higher level of education (college degrees) than the majority. That means that that strong minority (30-35 %) felt that it had nothing any more in common with the rest of the population. And that minority is the elite, the class who rules the society. So it decided to work for itdelf instead of for the good of the entire population.

If the 1% were alone, they would not be able to reign on the society. It is because they have the 30-35% with them that they can.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:20 pm 
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LaPalice wrote:
Anthropoid wrote:

I suppose if you follow the puppet strings, you will find that New Totalitarians like Ms. Swinson are ultimately more beholden to powerful moneyed interests of a potentially broad identity spectrum (Scottish, English, European, etc.) than she is to either the people who voted for her, the people in her district(s), or the people of her country more generally.

This is a tipping point in world history and it is no surprise given how financial and corporate transnational power has evolved since the early 1800s. At the beginning of that cycle, such extravagant power as is enjoyed by potentates like Soros, etc., was generally only in the hands of rulers, and indeed only in the hands of unelected rulers, Monarchs and the like. Now, we have individuals, or else small oligarchs of individuals in the form of board members of major transnational firms who literally have more power through their wealth and ability to evade legal oversight under their "transnational" status than was generally enjoyed by most rulers in 1800. They strive to control the world for their own agendas and they strive to do so through the purchasing of patron status for client "elected" politicians, as well as various financial enterprises which augment those totalitarian efforts.

Noam Chimpsky is generally crazy as fuck, but on this topic, at least as it pertains to the hyper-rich power players he is correct. Shame that more of them don't take a lesson from Bill and Melinda Gates and literally just try to HELP the fucking world instead of control it and shape it in the way they deem fit.

We've gained so much in the past ~220 years of world history, great personal freedoms, health, knowledge, liberty . . . but these have also allowed the rise of the New Totalitarian Powerlord class of villain and the various "political" and religious movements that follow them, the New Totalitarian Tribes.

Emmanuel Todd, a French demographer and historian, has an interesting theory.

If in the 20th Century, the Western world knew a high level of freedom and equality, it is because the great majority of the population had the same level of education, more or less at the middle school and the high school.

But from the 70's that equality in education started to disappear, as a strong minority of the population had a higher level of education (college degrees) than the majority. That means that that strong minority (30-35 %) felt that it had nothing any more in common with the rest of the population. And that minority is the elite, the class who rules the society. So it decided to work for itdelf instead of for the good of the entire population.

If the 1% were alone, they would not be able to reign on the society. It is because they have the 30-35% with them that they can.


That does seem quite plausible. Even if only 50% of the 30-35% are of the temperament to let themselves be bought as political pawns that is a large chunk of populations in Western societies. More than enough to staff all of the various institutions which seem to be involved in this new totalitarian wave: mass media, politics, law, academy . . .

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There are more people going to university than ever before.

It seems at least in some subjects they are more indoctrinated, than educated, at university however.

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EUBanana wrote:
There are more people going to university than ever before.

It seems at least in some subjects they are more indoctrinated, than educated, at university however.


Oh it is DEFINITELY indoctrination. I even had one of my senior colleagues who was retiring the year I started confide this to me. He was a strong lefty, but more for idealistic than for tribal reasons and he was also a rigorous mathematical empiricist (cultural anthropology, but he was pretty good at stats and of course basic algebra and calculus). In hindsight he was WARNING me that the days of Scientific Anthropology were drawing to a close!

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... the days of Scientific Anthropology were drawing to a close ...


Hum, what's the new kind !!?? :o

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There are more people going to university than ever before.

It seems at least in some subjects they are more indoctrinated, than educated, at university however.

The alternative explanation is the this education theory is just wrong.

There are other theories, economic theories to explain what went wrong. In the turmoil of the stagflation a new system was introduced that game all the growth to the very top,.

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I have posted a video that explains the thing. Watch it and be wiser. ;)

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