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Re: EU and Brexit

#1851 Post by Anthropoid » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:36 pm

mdiehl wrote:Christ I wish Nigel Farage would run for a US Congressional seat. I'd vote for him.
He is a fucking hero isn't he!

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Re: EU and Brexit

#1852 Post by EUBanana » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:25 am

nero wrote:
EUBanana wrote:Channel 4, another unbiased source.
What source in the UK would be unbiased?

Just curious.
They’re all biased.
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Re: EU and Brexit

#1853 Post by nero » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:33 am

Anthropoid wrote:
mdiehl wrote:Christ I wish Nigel Farage would run for a US Congressional seat. I'd vote for him.
He is a fucking hero isn't he!
Farage for President. :lol:

It is not impossible. ;)
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Re: EU and Brexit

#1854 Post by nero » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:48 pm

This is meaningful.



But May may not care no more.
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Re: EU and Brexit

#1855 Post by nero » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:25 pm

The true Brexit animus crystallized.



:lol:
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Re: EU and Brexit

#1856 Post by Mac » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:34 pm

Brexit campaigner wins appeal against a £20,000 fine that was imposed by the Electoral Commission...
The founder of the youth-focused pro-Brexit campaign group BeLeave has won his appeal against a £20,000 fine imposed by the elections regulator.

Darren Grimes was punished by the Electoral Commission last year, after being accused of breaching spending rules during the 2016 EU Referendum.

The group's political work took place at the headquarters of Vote Leave - the official Brexit campaign.

Mr Grimes said he was "relieved" as the case had "taken a huge toll".

He had maintained that he was "completely innocent" of making false declarations in relation to a £675,315 donation from Vote Leave and accused the Electoral Commission of "bias" against Leave supporters.

But the watchdog insisted its investigation had been "thorough and fair" and that it had carried out inquiries into campaigners on both sides of the referendum battle.

Last year, the Electoral Commission found that BeLeave had "spent more than £675,000 with (Canadian data firm) Aggregate IQ under a common plan with Vote Leave", which should have been declared by the latter but was not.

This spending took Vote Leave over its £7m legal spending limit by almost £500,000.

But Mr Grimes, aged 25 and from County Durham, appealed against the fine after raising the money for legal costs online, citing "errors of fact, the law and unreasonableness".

The court heard that the commission had misinterpreted the law and set a key legal test "too high" on whether BeLeave had been correctly registered on official forms.

Mr Grimes had said he had intended to register the organisation and not himself as an individual on the forms and his lawyers said the complex and difficult-to-understand forms were completed to the best of his ability.

Judge Marc Dight said that even if BeLeave did not have a formal constitution by January 2016, it was clear it was made up of like-minded people who had an agreement to campaign on Brexit in a certain way.

He said Mr Grimes had tried to meet his obligations to the commission in filling out the forms, and that his actions were not dishonest or lacking transparency.
'Huge toll'

Responding to the success of his appeal, at the Mayor's and City of London Court, Mr Grimes tweeted that he was "delighted and relieved", adding that the case had "taken a huge toll on myself and my family".

In his statement, he said: "It's vital that more young people are encouraged to get involved in politics and make their voices heard.

"I just hope that the punitive actions of the Electoral Commission don't put my generation off engaging in our democracy."

He also criticised the watchdog's handling of the case.

"The Electoral Commission's case was based on an incorrectly ticked box on an application form - something that it had been aware of for over two years and had not been raised in two previous investigations," his statement said.

"Yet the commission still saw fit to issue an excessive fine and to spend almost half a million in taxpayer cash pursuing me through the courts.

"This raises serious questions about its conduct both during and after the referendum."

The Electoral Commission said it was "disappointed".

"We will now review the full detail of the judgment before deciding on next steps, including any appeal," it said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49048431
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Re: EU and Brexit

#1857 Post by Mac » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:56 pm

nero wrote:The true Brexit animus crystallized.



:lol:
Bragg has always been a leftie shill and who now in his dotage thinks Corbyn will be the saviour of Britain. :roll:

He recently got a bit miffed with Morrissey...

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 78706.html

I have to admit though that I have always liked his A13 song. Mentions a few places I know. ;)

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Re: EU and Brexit

#1858 Post by EUBanana » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:53 am

Oh here's another one for Nero, the £350 million claim on the bus actually went to the High Court and the court found that it was accurate and not a lie.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... xit-claims

Unfortunately that's the Guardian so they are trying desperately to play it down, rotters that they are, and giving Ball, who was a bullshit artist who conned gullible Remainers out of money via crowdfunding a prosecution, as much benefit of the doubt as humanly possible. The Telegraph has an article on it that is much more punchy (and accurate, given what the court said) but it's behind a paywall, bottom line though is that as Boris himself at the time said repeatedly on record that it was the gross figure it was crystal clear and not a lie and this Remainer twunts prosecution was vexatious as it was just politically motivated harassment.

Just another confected Remainiac pile of bullshit in other words.

If Nero was British maybe he would've actually been conned out of a few shekels to support these lies. :lol:
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Re: EU and Brexit

#1859 Post by nero » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:21 am

Seems that Billy Bragg song is quite strong; both resident brexiteers responded.

So koira älähtää johon kalikka kalahtaa (if the shoe fits, wear it) -- Finnish proverb.

I can remember hearing anti-EU sentiment in a pub 1987; "they put tax on beer". :lol:

But real brexit movement started 1990 when Germany was re-united; "we won the war and now Germany is great again". :shock:

And now we have talks about how EU closed the coalmines in Wales in the North. :roll:

All very good reasons to leave, and fuck Ireland anyway. :lol:

Good luck.
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Re: EU and Brexit

#1860 Post by Mac » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:05 pm

Remainers, perfectly normal sensible people.
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