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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:14 pm 
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EUBanana wrote:
http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-the-uk-hostage-eu-budget/

It's alright. Nero will pony up.

Fuck the pony up.

It will be a lose lose situation.

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Law 3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
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So it goes.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:28 pm 
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Not every gain/loss is necessarily a financial one.
Gains/losses may be in the eye of the beholder.

The UK (or more specifically, the voters in the UK) may feel that some gains that they will derive from Brexit may revolve around things such as sovereignty (right to control who comes into their country).
And can those gains all be quantified into terms of dollars or pounds?

Taking it one step further, does the UK (or voters in the UK) have an obligation to somehow feel responsible for the losses that someone in another country incur?
Are Brits justified in firstly considering what is best for the UK, and then only after that, consider what is best for others?

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:40 pm 
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chijohnaok wrote:
Not every gain/loss is necessarily a financial one.
Gains/losses may be in the eye of the beholder.

The UK (or more specifically, the voters in the UK) may feel that some gains that they will derive from Brexit may revolve around things such as sovereignty (right to control who comes into their country).
And can those gains all be quantified into terms of dollars or pounds?

Taking it one step further, does the UK (or voters in the UK) have an obligation to somehow feel responsible for the losses that someone in another country incur?
Are Brits justified in firstly considering what is best for the UK, and then only after that, consider what is best for others?

Free people can do silly decisions.

Shit happens. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:07 pm 
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Silliness would be remaining in the European Dictatorship for literally no good reason, doing whatever Reichskanzler Merkel commands.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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EUBanana wrote:
Silliness would be remaining in the European Dictatorship for literally no good reason, doing whatever Reichskanzler Merkel commands.

I prefer Mutti over Vova. ;)

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<< ... some gains that they will derive from Brexit may revolve around things such as sovereignty (right to control who comes into their country).
And can those gains all be quantified into terms of dollars or pounds?>>

They probably can be eventually ... the pounds spent giving out the warnings to the rapists ... the pounds spent counseling the raped ... the pounds spent by courts letting off those who run over others with their cars and trucks ... the pounds spent by the hospitals trying to save the lives of those run over by cars and trucks ... the extra taxes the non-moozlims brits have to pay to provide ever increasing amounts of cargo to the moozlims ... etc etc etc ... it all adds up ... and the faster they arrive the faster it adds up ...

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Junker has the answer!

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... 'They have to pay', EU's Junker says of Britain ...


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-juncker/they-have-to-pay-eus-juncker-says-of-britain-idUSKBN1CI12L

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:49 am 
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Junker has the answer!

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... 'They have to pay', EU's Junker says of Britain ...


A face only a junker-mom could luv ...

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-juncker/they-have-to-pay-eus-juncker-says-of-britain-idUSKBN1CI12L

Sad, but true, they have to pay. But how much? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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If it was me, I would pay zero until (and if) any deal was reached (retain leverage).

I would focus on leaving ... work out a "deal" later.

(Joe first rule of negotiation ... you cannot negotiate if you cannot walk away)

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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nero wrote:
Sad, but true, they have to pay. But how much? :roll:


There's nothing in Article 50 about doing that, so legally, no, we don't.

And we shouldn't pay anything without something in exchange, which the EU seems to have a problem in understanding. The way things are going at the moment the EU is going to get zip, because the EU refuses to offer anything.

Theresa May simply cannot hand over 40 billion that she doesn't have to without getting something back, if she did she'd be thrown out of office instantly by Brexiteer Tory MPs, and someone more hardline will take over. Even the EU is slowly waking up to this reality.

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