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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:51 pm 
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Gibraltar calls the EU a cuck...

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Gibraltar has accused the European Union of behaving like a "cuckolded husband who is taking it out on the children" by appearing to hand Spain a veto over "the Rock's" future in Brexit negotiations.

Fabian Picardo, the chief minister, made the comments after Spain accused Britain of "losing its temper" over Gibraltar.

It came as talk of a "war" between Britain and Spain over the row was dismissed as "absurd".

Alfonso Dastis, Spain's foreign minister, said he was "surprised" by Britain's response after the EU’s draft Brexit negotiating guidelines appeared to hand Spain an ­effective veto over whether an eventual deal will apply to Gibraltar.

He said: "The Spanish government is a little surprised by the tone of comments coming out of Britain, a country known for its composure."

Mr Picardo said: "Gibraltar is not a bargaining chip in these negotiations. Gibraltar belongs to the Gibraltarians and we want to stay British."

Boris Johnson has insisted this morning that there will be no change to Gibraltar's sovereignty without Britain's consent.

Speaking on arrival at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg, he said: "The sovereignty of Gibraltar is unchanged and is not going to change, and cannot conceivably change without the express support and consent of the people of Gibraltar and the United Kingdom, and that is not going to change."

It came as Jack Straw, the former Labour foreign secretary, said he did not believe the status of Gibraltar posed a great danger to a Brexit deal and he thought the suggestion of war "reeks of 19th century jingoism".
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Jack Straw described the idea of going to war over Gibraltar as 'absurd' Credit: Nick Edwards

Speaking on Sunday, the former Tory leader Lord Howard said that Theresa May would go to war to defend Gibraltar’s sovereignty.

He said that Mrs May would show the “same resolve” over Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher did over the Falklands.

Downing Street dismissed suggestions that Britain could send a task force to Gibraltar.

"It isn't going to happen," a spokesman said.

However, he added that Lord Howard's comments underlined the strength of feeling on the issue in the UK.

"All that Lord Howard was trying to establish is the resolve that we will have to protect the rights of Gibraltar and its sovereignty," the spokesman said.

Mr Straw told BBC Radio Four's Today programme: "The idea of Britain going to war, or Spain going to war against Britain, over Gibraltar is frankly absurd and reeks of 19th century jingoism.

"I doubt very much that Gibraltar will be the deal breaker."

The row continued on Monday morning after senior diplomats warned that the EU will not give way on Gibraltar during the Brexit negotiations.

One diplomat told the Guardian: “Spain are taking this very, very seriously. I think there is support across the board among the member states. Why not?".

"It is not a problem that was born yesterday. It has been with us a long time and we have always listened to both sides. Now we are going to support the member state.

"That is the philosophy behind it. I wouldn’t think any of the 26 other states will somehow try to undermine this clause."

On Monday morning Mr Dastis suggested that British politicians are losing their nerve.

“Someone in Britain is losing their nerve but there is no basis for this,” Mr Dastis said when asked by reporters for his view on the escalating war of words over the British overseas territory.

Asked about Lord Howard's comments comparing the situation with Gibraltar to the Falkland Islands conflict, Mr Dastis said “bringing up past situations like the Malvinas is somewhat out of context”.

Asked about comments he had made appearing to suggest Spain might support an independent Scotland joining the European Union, Mr Dastis claimed his words as reported by El País on Sunday had been “misinterpreted”.

“I don’t think we should be talking about hypotheses. The only certain thing is that when the United Kingdom leaves [the EU], so will Scotland. What happens in the future is something we will see when it happens, if it happens,” Mr Dastis said. He stressed that the situation with Scotland and Spain's own issues with potential independence for Catalonia are “in no way comparable”.

Sir Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, said the Government would go "all the way" to protect the interests of "the Rock", while Mrs May also pledged her support to Gibraltar's chief minister on Sunday.

After Mrs May spoke to Mr Picardo on Sunday, a No 10 spokesman said: "The prime minister said we will never enter into arrangements under which the people of Gibraltar would pass under the sovereignty of another state against their freely and democratically expressed wishes, nor will we ever enter into a process of sovereignty negotiations with which Gibraltar is not content."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04 ... dismissed/

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Jack Straw, Labour twat (also corrupt vermin as proven by intrepid investigative reporters), finds the notion of defending the rights of 30,000 British citizens "absurd". This whole defence of the realm thing is a bit 19th century eh what.

Truly, these people are assholes of the highest order.

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Jack Straw, Labour twat (also corrupt vermin as proven by intrepid investigative reporters), finds the notion of defending the rights of 30,000 British citizens "absurd". This whole defence of the realm thing is a bit 19th century eh what.

Truly, these people are assholes of the highest order.



Why it is almost as though there is some coordinated visceral assault on the Westphalian Nation-State model in progress by globalist fuck-weasels....

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Well, in a sense it is absurd that war would break out over Gibraltar. You simply speak with one voice saying there will be no conditions or changes in sovereignty..period.

And you get all the weak-kneed pussies to just shut up.

How does Gibraltar get it's water and power. Is it piped in from Spain? That would be a serious vulnerability. So would creating roablocks for food transport and tourists. Of course, any bull crap like that would be an EU charter violation until the UK actually leaves.

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Apparently they have their own power stations.

https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/new/energy

Spain has blockaded Gibraltar before. The real issue then is all the Gibraltarians who work in Spain... and the Spaniards who work in Gibraltar.

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Ground force consists of the Royal Gibraltar Regiment, battalion strength (600?):

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HQ Company (Thomson's Battery, Regular)
B Company (Reserves)
G Company (Regular)
I Company (Regular)
HQ Company is made up currently of the Artillery Troop, Motor Transport Platoon, Signals Wing, Catering Platoon and Clothing Stores.
G Company comprises 3 regular rifle platoons.
I Company is a regular rifle company, but also holds the regiment's specialists when fully manned. These are:
2 x Recce Sections,
5 x Sniper Pairs,
2 x Machine Gun Sections,
2 x Assault Pioneer/Soldier Sections,
2 x High Assurance Search Teams,
2 x Low Risk Search Teams,
The Regiment's Explosive Ordnance Disposal Teams (EOD)
B Company also consists of three Rifle Platoons. It also provides two Sharpshooter Pairs, two Machine Gun Sections and one Low Risk Search Team.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Gibraltar_Regiment

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Spanish:

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... The Spanish army consists of 15 active brigades ...


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... The current flagship of the Spanish Navy is the amphibious assault ship Juan Carlos 1 which is also used as an aircraft carrier. In addition, the fleet consists of: 2 amphibious transport docks, 11 frigates, 3 submarines, 6 mine countermeasure vessels, 23 patrol vessels and a number of auxiliary ships ...


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... The Infanteria de Marina are the marine infantry of the Spanish Navy, the oldest in the world. It has a strength of 5,000 troops divided into base defense forces and landing forces. One of the three base defense battalions is stationed with each of the Navy headquarters. "Groups" (midway between battalions and regiments) are stationed in Madrid and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. The Tercio (fleet — regiment equivalent) is available for immediate embarkation and based out of San Fernando. Its principal weapons include light tanks, armored personnel vehicles, self-propelled artillery, and TOW and Dragon antitank missiles ...


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... Spain currently has 10 fighter squadrons, each with 18-24 airplanes. The air force also has 15 operational air bases around the country. The air force operates a wide-ranging fleet of aircraft, from fighters to transport aircraft and passenger transports to helicopters. It maintains some 450 aircraft in total, of which around 130 are fighter aircraft, including a number of Eurofighter Typhoons ...


Equipment includes 300 Leopard 2 and about 90 helicopters. So it seems, that if the Spanish could keep a secret and come quickly with a helicopter assault (1 battalion) and a Naval landing force (1 battalion) and an over the ground force (1-2 brigades) they should be able to overwhelm the defenders. But can the Spanish do those things? The capability seems to be there, not sure about the intention.
If Spain could capture the rock quickly, would the Brits counter-invade? That might be difficult. Obtaining air superiority would be a key and that would involve fighting the whole Spanish Airforce across the width and breadth of Spain, so this would not be an isolated battlefield like the Falklands. And what would the Eeeee Yooo doooo ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armed_Forces

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Equipment includes 300 Leopard 2 and about 90 helicopters. So it seems, that if the Spanish could keep a secret and come quickly with a helicopter assault (1 battalion) and a Naval landing force (1 battalion) and an over the ground force (1-2 brigades) they should be able to overwhelm the defenders. But can the Spanish do those things? The capability seems to be there, not sure about the intention.
If Spain could capture the rock quickly, would the Brits counter-invade? That might be difficult. Obtaining air superiority would be a key and that would involve fighting the whole Spanish Airforce across the width and breadth of Spain, so this would not be an isolated battlefield like the Falklands. And what would the Eeeee Yooo doooo ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armed_Forces



Yeah nice moral club EUtopia has there...

I'd hope the UK would ask the US under article 5 to thwart Spanish aggression....

it'd be a splendid little fight.

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It would be essentially impossible to recapture it with conventional weapons I imagine, it's historically been a fortress for a reason after all... at least without massive (like, US Navy sort of massive) support.

If the Spanish were that crazy it would be time to drop a bucket of sunshine in the Med as a warning.

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Spanish gunboat gets chased off by the Royal Navy after entering British waters off Gibraltar. Stay mad Spain...

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A Spanish gunboat has been chased off by Royal Navy vessels after entering British waters off Gibraltar following days of growing tensions.

The ship, Infanta Christina, sailed past Gibraltar soon after lunch time and not long after Spanish foreign minister Alfonso Dastis had told the UK to ‘calm down’ in the rising dispute over the future of the island.

There is no known reason for the movement of the vessel into British waters but those who witnessed it described the action as a provocation.

It comes after Lord Howe suggested that Britain should ‘go to war’ over Gibraltar, in a similar vein to Margaret Thatcher’s reaction to the Falklands conflict with Argentina.

Supposedly, it is the seventh time the ship has entered British waters this year.

David Parody, who pictured the boat, tweeted that ‘In true Spanish style, to calm down, they send us a gun boat!’

He told the MailOnline: ‘Spanish Patrol Boat P77 (Infanta Christina) this afternoon made an incursion into Gibraltar territorial waters and was challenged by the Royal Navy’s HMS Scimitar.

‘This comes at a time of heightened tensions between the UK and Spain over the Rock and Lord Howe’s comments that the UK would go to war for Gibraltar.’

The incident comes after Theresa May played down the possibility of military action over the rock of the Spanish coast.

Talk of the war followed the EU’s declaration that Madrid would have a veto on the inclusion of Gibraltar in any post-Brexit trade deal.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/04/royal-nav ... r-6553518/


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