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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:13 pm 
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And it is more than 40.


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The EU itself hasn't even put a number on it, and the crusty lawyers in the House of Lords have opined we owe nothing legally - because there's nothing in Article 50 that says we owe a bean. As Barnier likes to talk about moral obligations rather than legal ones I assume he agrees.

And 40 billion will blow up Theresa May, plenty of Tory backbenchers have already said as much, so it's not going to happen without some concessions from the EU. As the EU is incapable of making concessions, I fully expect no deal, and good riddance.

I'm sure Finland will step into the funding gap. Going to be a whole new world in the EU without us mugs paying for it all. :lol:

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Hey look at that, Finland contributes. A little. Greece is hungry, get working Nero. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Indeed the is nothing in the article 50 that you own one bean. But there are references to obligations to the current EU budget (for years 2014-2020), that the UK has agreed with.

After 2020 the cost will be adapted to the means.

But in a way UK has been a free rider because rebate.

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The size of member states' payments to the EU budget is broadly dependent on the size of their economy.

This is because the largest component of each country's contribution is a flat payment equivalent to a fixed proportion of its gross national income (GNI) - 0.59% in 2007.

There are some variations however. Thanks to its rebate, the UK pays a smaller proportion of its GNI than other countries.

Gross payments from each country differ, obviously, because of the large disparities in the size of the 27 countries' economies.

For example, Spain and Denmark both pay 0.96% of their gross national income into the budget, but as Spain has a larger economy its actual contribution amounts to 9.8bn euros, compared to Denmark's 2.2bn euros.

Greece pays the biggest proportion of its national income to the EU, but in terms of total payments it is eighth on the list.


But there are so many ways to see things, but the average cost is 1.05% of the GNI, for Britain half of that. The interesting thing is to calculate the benefit of the single market.

You can make calculations. ;)

Good luck with that.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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The net contribution is all that matters when it comes to financial contribution. The UK's is 2nd highest. If not for the rebate it would've been 1st highest, this is why Thatcher demanded one in the first place, because it's patently ridiculous.

You can pretend whatever you want on the matter but ultimately that money needs to come from somewhere, and the UK is a massive contributor, and that's why the first and the last thing the EU wants out of us is money. ;) If Boris Johnson ends up PM and the EU gets fuck all you'll see some financial distress coming out of the gravy trains of Brussels.

And Finland contributes fuck all, even accounting for size, so your freeloading nation is not in a position to lecture your paymasters... To think you used to moan about Poland being net recipients, you're practically net recipients yourself despite being twice as rich, not very socialist... :lol:

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The net contribution is all that matters when it comes to financial contribution. The UK's is 2nd highest. If not for the rebate it would've been 1st highest, this is why Thatcher demanded one in the first place, because it's patently ridiculous.

You can pretend whatever you want on the matter but ultimately that money needs to come from somewhere, and the UK is a massive contributor, and that's why the first and the last thing the EU wants out of us is money. ;) If Boris Johnson ends up PM and the EU gets fuck all you'll see some financial distress coming out of the gravy trains of Brussels.

And Finland contributes fuck all, even accounting for size, so your freeloading nation is not in a position to lecture your paymasters... To think you used to moan about Poland being net recipients, you're practically net recipients yourself despite being twice as rich, not very socialist... :lol:

I( can see that British education has had problems during last decades, even simple math is too difficult. :(

I think, perhaps you now not actually leave, you could keep that rebate. But when you come crawling back to Canossa, no question a rebate. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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I( can see that British education has had problems during last decades, even simple math is too difficult. :(


Apparently the concept of a net figure is too much for you.

Enjoy your future financial black hole.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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In terms of "fairness" net payments per capita perhaps but in term of balancing the EU budget the net figure is obviously the right figure.

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Essentially, the level of anti-corruption/regulation/bureaucracy/centralism/meddling rose to unbearable after having to cope with both the new-member Eastern Euros needing to spend EU billions without too much graft and slapping the Eurozone over-lenders like GREECE. Since the NArabistani and Turkish beaches will look increasingly suspect, Greece will recover nicely, mark my words, plus the infrastructure of Fortress Europe which will be hinted at the Turks anyway.

Plus Merkel not up to Ukraine (long before Crimea, nevermind Donbas), would not have occurred with Kohl or Schröder at the helm.

German navel-gazing aside, this is the Brits being special again, if this breaks the EU in the mid-term national interests will remain and these are mostly aligned.
Something new/else/different will form.

Britain is under direct threat of any Russia dominant scenario, so it does have strategic interest in central/eastern Europe.

We´ll see.

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Essentially, the level of anti-corruption/regulation/bureaucracy/centralism/meddling rose to unbearable after having to cope with both the new-member Eastern Euros needing to spend EU billions without too much graft and slapping the Eurozone over-lenders like GREECE. Since the NArabistani and Turkish beaches will look increasingly suspect, Greece will recover nicely, mark my words, plus the infrastructure of Fortress Europe which will be hinted at the Turks anyway.

Plus Merkel not up to Ukraine (long before Crimea, nevermind Donbas), would not have occurred with Kohl or Schröder at the helm.

German navel-gazing aside, this is the Brits being special again, if this breaks the EU in the mid-term national interests will remain and these are mostly aligned.
Something new/else/different will form.

Britain is under direct threat of any Russia dominant scenario, so it does have strategic interest in central/eastern Europe.

We´ll see.


In other words?

The EU is a house of cards and the UK is the central linchpin that is keeping the whole thing balanced precariously as a "structure?"

I long ago in high school envisaged a more unified Europe and my debate team members and I used to argue about it. I saw it is inevitable and probably salutary; they saw it as nearly impossible.

In hindsight, a novel political union that sounds good in principle and looks good on paper can give birth to a bureaucratic Frankenstein despot just as easily as a junta driven by one small factions self-interests.

Main problem of EU seems to be it does not regard itself to be behooved to REPRESENT its constituencies and so it has understandably morphed into a parasitic organism, with apparently increasing intent to dominate life in Europe in general. This would be a bad thing if the central ethos were rightist, leftist or centrist.

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 Post subject: Re: EU and Brexit
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Brexit is stupidest thing any country has done besides Trump

This nails it down. The aphorism of the decade. ;)

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Brexit is stupidest thing any country has done besides Trump

This nails it down. The aphorism of the decade. ;)

So it goes.



:lol:

He’s quoting Michael Bloomberg... :lol:

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